Does Islam Promote Violence?

[dusty]

what does the koran say? does it promote violence?...do their religious leaders promote violence?

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[kf7mjf]

Actually you need to look much more recently to see where violent Islam becomes empowered and takes on it's modern form. The rising Arab nationalist movement under the Ottoman Empire was exploited by England and France during WWI, and the end result was trading one colonial ruler for another, and a series of broken promises by England. Further regional destabilization in the name of oil has left much of the region broken or in the hands of radical strong men. The last century or so has been one of decolonization, and of various tribal factions fighting for control of the region and to settle old tribal and sectarian scores.

TL;Dr, destabilize a region, break promises, undermine governments, receive free instability and violence.

On the subject of organized rape, murder and violence, I call your attention to the violence and rape that followed Sherman's army during his march to the sea, and the violence perpetrated against the native population of this continent by the US Army and other elements. What is the excuse for Sherman's Bummers, Wounded Knee, or William Clark Quantril? All brutal savages operating within the framework of a western, civilized dominant Christian nation? What caused decades of violence in Ireland in the latter half of the 20th Century among Christians?

[toys in the toybox]

NO generalizing and being aware of facts is not contradictory

Facts is seatlle is more deadly than my little burg. fact and stereotype

Generalizing that everyone in seattle was out to kill me is a poor assumption

Not arming myself and being a bit more weary of my surroundings and which neighborhood and at what time while in seattle is stupid

We all know that a good portion of us globe riders have perpetrated violence among other in the the name of one religion or another. Slightly more acceptable as a defense than as an offense to destroy the other but hey live and let live not seek and destroy.

Just another reason why im not a fan of religion to begin with, they will justify whatever they do and use thier god and beliefs as a valid excuse

[kf7mjf]

what does the koran say? does it promote violence?...do their religious leaders promote violence?

Just like the Bible it does, and just like Christianity it varies on the leader. The abrahamic sects are all rooted in toxic behavior. Best to stop worshipping an ancient God and wake up and smell the 21st century

[dusty]

I don't worship. What does smelling the 21st century mean?

[H2obouget]

I don't worship. What does smelling the 21st century mean?

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”

He's pushing the atheist logic line.

@ OP
So I have watched the video...
And I stand by my previous post.
You are basing your counter arguement on the feed back from those of the Muslim faith.
I say it again...RADICAL ISLAM THINKS YOU ARE ARE A LESSER BEING ON THIS PLANET. Because of that they feel they are justified in telling you what ever bullshit they want, to make you do, act, believe in a manner that benefits them.

Listen to the video again...he spend the first part telling us the Muslim countries are advanced and don't do the things the reporters say...then he says some do. He insists that the genital mutilations are done in Christian countries...he leaves out that they being done by those of the Muslim faith who live there.
He insists that we need to stop saying these things are happening in Muslim countries... And instead we should cite specific countries. This is an attempt to split hairs. It helps his argument if he can make you avoid the larger picture. They use the phrase "painting with a single/large brush" repeatedly.
He then tries to paint Saudi Arabia as one of the worst offenders...they killed 19 people this last month...SEE! They're bad .....too!
He says no one takes Neytinyaho seriously when he compares ISIS to Hamas....yet then a few seconds later says these "Militant Islamic groups like ISIS, Alquida, Hezbollah, Hamas have to be dealt with."
Um...wait a sec...he just said ....wtf?

He spends the entire time dancing around straight answers, and trying to deflect to the points he wants to make. See what I said above, and in my first post.
I advise second guessing anything, any follower, of any Muslim sect tells you. like American politicians...you can't expect a straight, accurate answer.

[RENCORP]

Soooo - he is pulling a Muslim ANZAC tactical Occam's Razor discussion, is he ????

[H2obouget]

Soooo - he is pulling a Muslim ANZAC tactical Occam's Razor discussion, is he ????

I wasn't gonna say it, but....yep. Pretty much.

[Pablo]

Everybody take a step back, deep breath. Composure.

Get a copy of "The Story of Mohammed" by Harry Richardson

[kf7mjf]

Let's try this.

Moderate/secular Jews good.
Moderate/secular Christians good.
Moderate/secular Muslims good.

Radical/Militant Jews bad.
Radical/Militant Christians bad.
Radical/Militant Muslims bad.

Judaism is monotheism part one. Part two is Monotheism, Return of the Christ. Much like Highlander II doesn't exist to some people, Jews reject the whole sequel thing. Monotheism III The Rise of Mohammed acknowledges I and II but retcons some of it. All three use the same basic origin story and main characters though.

Islam isn't violent because of Islam, violent people use Islam as an excuse, much like Christianity was used to justify Manifest Destiny, and genocide against Native Americans.

Or to really simplify it, assholes gonna be assholes, and it doesn't matter which Holy book they thump on.

[toys in the toybox]

yup, rape pillage, war and plunder and control the masses in the name on the god, idol of your choice

not my cup of tea but seems to work in one fashion or another for a good portion of the planet

They all think they are good and rightous in what they do but not everybody can be right if there is more than one opposing viewpoint

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[kf7mjf]

You know what really promotes violence?

Turkey bacon.

[CurtisLemansky]

Moderate/secular Jews good.
Moderate/secular Christians good.
Moderate/secular Muslims good.

Radical/Militant Jews bad.
Radical/Militant Christians bad.
Radical/Militant Muslims bad.

[...]

Islam isn't violent because of Islam, violent people use Islam as an excuse, much like Christianity was used to justify Manifest Destiny, and genocide against Native Americans.

Exactly, a very simple concept to grasp... yet the double standard still remains.


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[kf7mjf]

Really a huge part of the problem is education, stability and the ability to achieve something in society. Jordan is a moderate, westernized state. They don't have these problems. Poverty, poor education and desperation breed violent religious radicals.

[toys in the toybox]

double standard in effect to some extent but its not the jews and christians that are causing the majority of the problems at the moment

I understand everyone wants to blame it all on just the "radicals" but then one has to ask what is the commonality.....Muslim.

As i said im not generalizing on this and know that the majority are more like us than the radicals but it is a pattern or commonality and as human beings we have a propensity to recognize patterns and when that pattern involves threats to life and limb we pay attention, misguided as it may be