Does Islam Promote Violence?

[kf7mjf]

The common point is a group of highly disaffected people in a region rife with sectarian and regional violence, often rooted in tribal or sect enmity. Remember, these radicals are making war on other Muslims too,usually for having different loyalties or worshipping Allah the wrong way.

[ANZAC]

Really a huge part of the problem is education, stability and the ability to achieve something in society. Jordan is a moderate, westernized state. They don't have these problems. Poverty, poor education and desperation breed violent religious radicals.

in many cases we are bringing the violent behavior to them
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... o-see.html

[toys in the toybox]

That story alone has got to be worth say.....two extra tall buildings worth of people. We dont justify or condone this type of activity so why are a couple folks here trying to justify what radicals do???

[ANZAC]

That story alone has got to be worth say.....two extra tall buildings worth of people.

The point is, the people killed in that article, weren't responsible for anything. You can't justify taking an innocent life in retaliation for another innocent life.

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[CurtisLemansky]

so why are a couple folks here trying to justify what radicals do???

Who's doing that? Direct quotes, please.


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[kf7mjf]

There is a difference between explain why certain elements behave as they do, and justifying it.

Islam is not all encompassing, nor is it any more or less capable of breeding militant than any of the other Abrahamic sects (all of which have shown themselves at various times in history to be rather bloody and murderous). However, if we take a look at the current situations that breed radical Muslims, as well as the situations in the past that have bred violent Christians or Jews, we see several common factors, usually external forces involving poverty, sectarian and tribal strife, a desire to expand into better land, and as an outlet for uneducated and poverty stricken young men.

I say again, it isn't Islam, or being part of the Abrahamic traditions, but rather it is the attendant circumstances that come together to CREATE the situation where militan radicalism exists. In this case, it's happening in a Muslim community. I can all but assure you, if places like Mississippi were cut off from all Federal aid and welfare, and there was little chance for any sort of advancement in society there, you'd have a lot of radical militant Christians blowing shit up and starting trouble. As it is, you just get some militia kooks and various gangs.

[toys in the toybox]

direct quotes??? have you read your own posts here???

in many cases we are bringing the violent behavior to them
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... o-see.html[/quote]

Seems a bit like anzac is justifying thier world wide terror trip to me by saying "see what we did" mind you we dont condone this type of behavior and there will be consequences for these poeple. And in our legal system it should end there....Most of the time our system doesnt even allow an eye for an eye but since "we brought the violent behavior to them" everything they do for all eternity is justified???

You and anzac may want to study anzacs last post. This is exactly what these folks do in the name of thier religion

[toys in the toybox]

That story alone has got to be worth say.....two extra tall buildings worth of people.

The point is, the people killed in that article, weren't responsible for anything. [/b]You can't justify taking an innocent life in retaliation for another innocent life.

seen any good beheadings lately, perhaps a few car bombs in the city market. I suppose all those people were guilty of war crimes????

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[H2obouget]

You and anzac may want to study anzacs last post. This is exactly what these folks do in the name of thier religion

Terrorists and Radical Muslims are studying Anzac's posts....
No wonder most of the free world is pissed off at them.

[kf7mjf]

That story alone has got to be worth say.....two extra tall buildings worth of people.

The point is, the people killed in that article, weren't responsible for anything. [/b]You can't justify taking an innocent life in retaliation for another innocent life.

seen any good beheadings lately, perhaps a few car bombs in the city market. I suppose all those people were guilty of war crimes????

That oddly enough is often hot Muslim on Muslim violence. I noticed the king of Jordan was being cheered on when he took a hardline against ISIS. And he's Muslim...

[toys in the toybox]

What's the real cause of their "self" radicalization? Because of a book... or because western countries keep drone bombing women and children in the Middle East? Or because we continue to try and overthrow governments that don't do our bidding which results in... more innocent people dead? There are many plausible reasons, but the fact that we continue to kill tens of thousands of people there is far more plausible than the influence of a book. I know it's a lot easier to blame religion than to admit to the consequences of our own actions, but millions of Muslims prove your theory wrong.

Regardless of the reason, this isnt an attempt at justification???


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Tens of thousands might be a bit of sensationalism better suited for some of the news stations and propaganda for thier cause. Do they even have tens of thousands to lose every week, month, year. Seems to be mostly desolate country if the war has been going on for years is there anybody left at this point???

[CurtisLemansky]

What's the real cause of their "self" radicalization? Because of a book... or because western countries keep drone bombing women and children in the Middle East? Or because we continue to try and overthrow governments that don't do our bidding which results in... more innocent people dead? There are many plausible reasons, but the fact that we continue to kill tens of thousands of people there is far more plausible than the influence of a book. I know it's a lot easier to blame religion than to admit to the consequences of our own actions, but millions of Muslims prove your theory wrong.


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Regardless of the reason, this isnt an attempt at justification???

You said extremists are radicalized simply by a book. I gave you two distinct and significantly more plausible reasons for their existence. Anything beyond that you've applied yourself to try and falsely accuse us of justifying their actions.

Tens of thousands might be a bit of sensationalism better suited for some of the news stations and propaganda for thier cause. Do they even have tens of thousands to lose every week, month, year. Seems to be mostly desolate country if the war has been going on for years is there anybody left at this point???

Sorry, I should have said hundreds of thousands (on the low end), and that's just in Iraq... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt ... e_Iraq_War

Also, thousands of civilians have been killed in ongoing drone strikes across multiple countries. Like I said before, this is just exacerbating the problem and creating more terrorists.

It's time to stop blaming Islam for everything and mind our own fucking business.


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[CQBgopher]

It's all Israel's fault.

[ANZAC]

That story alone has got to be worth say.....two extra tall buildings worth of people.

The point is, the people killed in that article, weren't responsible for anything. [/b]You can't justify taking an innocent life in retaliation for another innocent life.

seen any good beheadings lately, perhaps a few car bombs in the city market. I suppose all those people were guilty of war crimes????

I don't disagree the people that did those things should pay. My point is our retaliation as a nation is so indiscriminate that we've killed a lot of innocents, which in turn feeds the extremist's recruiting and hate. The defense department CONTINUES to argue against releasing pictures of prisoner ill treatment because they think it will fuel recruiting for the terrorists. It would have been better if we didn't mistreat prisoners or deliberately kill innocents in the first place (see the link I posted, there were many other incidents like that)

If you're not smart enough to know the difference between a peaceful Muslim with brown skin and a prayer mat, and a violent fundamentalist radical, then anyone who looks a bit different, prays to a different God, doesn't wear US flag underwear, speaks a language you don't understand, will be your enemy and you'll wind up with the most of the world hating you, which is pretty much what happened after we invaded Iraq on some dream quest for Rumsfeld and Cheney.

[RENCORP]

It wasn't a dream quest for Rumsfeld and Cheney.

And, it wasn't " we ". either - you had nothing to do with the Gulf War, Anzac - unless you were the Australian advisor to Bushes war department.

That whole circus was Bush Number One protecting America's oil, and maybe telling both the Russians as well as the Chinese to fuck right off, that the middle Eats belongs to Murica.

Then, Bush Junior got to prove he was as big a pimp for the military industrial complex as his poppy was, finishing the sloppy job started by the family by putting up the " Mission Accomplished " banner on an aircraft carrier, and dressing up like Tom Cruise in Top Gun. Of course the mission was not accomplished, because you still have to keep the military busy burning up equipment and ordinance to keep the industrial part of the military industrial complex up and running full tilt as well. Gotta have enemies to justify that shit.

It is kinda like the criminal justice system. Once you have hard core offenders, don't lock them up permanently, or give them a dirt nap - just lock them up for a while so they can train a new generation, then cut them loose to practice more mayhem to justify the criminal justice system, and all of the players from cops to lawyers to prison guards that make money off of human misery.

Money is the dirty little secret that makes men - less than human.

No matter what the historical narrative is or was, oppression, beheadings, persecution of education, women, progress, and human decency is just plain fucking wrong.

So, get them there Taliban ISIS mo fo's dead soonest. Just throw in all of the sick bastards in the military industrial complex in every country world wide, and all of their political bum boys on the fire to burn as well. Get all of the religious fanatics as well, while you are at it.