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150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:18 pm
by kf7mjf
At about 10:21 Eastern Standard Time, April 14, 1865, John Wilkes Booth destroyed the best chance for a peaceable reunion of the United States, and likely ensured that the recently freed slaves and their ancestors would struggle in the face of legalized discrimination for nearly a century.
Reconstruction was a failure, with the removal of Federal troops, the southern states promptly enacted laws that ensured the majority conservatives would take back control, and brought about the Jim Crow era. Some hold that Edwin Stanton had knowledge of the Booth plot, or at the very least was pleased to see Lincoln die. Regardless, this marks the first successful assassination attempt of a sitting US president, and undid years of hard and bloody work by the part of Lincoln and his allies. With Lincoln gone, the South faced harsh retribution and vengeance, instead of a peaceful transition back into the Union.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:20 pm
by L_O_G
Saw on the news earlier that they were having a candle light ceremony in remembrance
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:24 pm
by kf7mjf
Booth really fucked shit up.
With Lincoln, I believe the southern states basically would have been told "Welcome home" and the harsh years of reconstruction and the damaging carpetbagger culture would have never happened. I also think the recently freed slaves would have faced less legal discrimination and would have had a better chance at moving forward as free people.
Instead, we got Reconstruction Carpetbaggers, Jim Crow, and still feel the effects today.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:42 pm
by Soldier_Citizen
Pop goes the weasel.
Your really think Lincoln wanted a "peaceful" rebuilding of the south, after what he allowed Sherman to do?
There was more hate in the south for the north after he burned Atlanta than the entire war before that.
Lincoln didn't want a peaceful reconstruction, he wanted the south to beg at his feet for mercy. He wanted not just to break the troops, he wanted to break the familes, the people, the farms, the communities, the entire infustructur of the south.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:52 pm
by kf7mjf
You can see that he had the plans for a peaceful framework laid out.
http://www.sparknotes.com/history/ameri ... ion1.rhtmlThere is some argument if Sherman burnt Atlanta, or if Atlanta caught fire during the destruction of legitimate military targets. The biggest problem Sherman had was keeping order among some of his troops, and of the various camp followers who straggled along. He specifically forbade illegal activities and plunder, however I think that in his rapid march to the sea, a perfect storm of chaos and anarchy formed among the fringes of the army and it's followers.
However, I heartily approve of his destruction of legitimate military infrastructure. Burning bridges, destroying telegraph lines, and his utter destruction of railroad lines helped cripple the enemy.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:03 pm
by Soldier_Citizen
That's bullshit.
They, in his orders took food and livestock from farms. Their supplies couldn't keep up with their advance. He turned a blind eye to everything else because keeping your men motivated to fight.... That helps win wars.
Lincoln sent Sherman down there to destroy the infrastructure and cripple southern war effort by any means needed. He gave Sherman free reign. He allowed that man to lead an army on a murser March that took not just the lives of soldiers, but civilians as well.
He allowed his general to do everything that our founding fathers feared. How do you think washington, Jackson, Jefferson or any other founding father would have reacted knowing that american troops, led by american generals under the command of an American president would do this to American citizens?
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:05 pm
by ANZAC
Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:10 pm
by Soldier_Citizen
ANZAC wrote:Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?
And there's the other thing our founding fathers feared.
Play was interupted, but possibly the highlight of the evening by booth falling onto the stage.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:11 pm
by kf7mjf
Headquarters Military Division of the Mississippi,
In the Field, Kingston, Georgia, November 9, 1864
I. For the purpose of military operations, this army is divided into two wings viz.: The right wing, Major-General O. O. Howard commanding, composed of the Fifteenth and Seventeenth Corps; the left wing, Major-General H. W. Slocum commanding, composed of the Fourteenth and Twentieth Corps.
II. The habitual order of march will be, wherever practicable, by four roads, as nearly parallel as possible, and converging at points hereafter to be indicated in orders. The cavalry, Brigadier - General Kilpatrick commanding, will receive special orders from the commander-in-chief.
III. There will be no general train of supplies, but each corps will have its ammunition-train and provision-train, distributed habitually as follows: Behind each regiment should follow one wagon and one ambulance; behind each brigade should follow a due proportion of ammunition - wagons, provision-wagons, and ambulances. In case of danger, each corps commander should change this order of march, by having his advance and rear brigades unencumbered by wheels. The separate columns will start habitually at 7 a.m., and make about fifteen miles per day, unless otherwise fixed in orders.
IV. The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten day's provisions for the command and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass, but during a halt or a camp they may be permitted to gather turnips, potatoes, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock of their camp. To regular foraging parties must be instructed the gathering of provisions and forage at any distance from the road traveled.
V. To army corps commanders alone is intrusted the power to destroy mills, houses, cotton-gins, &c., and for them this general principle is laid down: In districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.
VI. As for horses, mules, wagons, &c., belonging to the inhabitants, the cavalry and artillery may appropriate freely and without limit, discriminating, however, between the rich, who are usually hostile, and the poor or industrious, usually neutral or friendly. Foraging parties may also take mules or horses to replace the jaded animals of their trains, or to serve as pack-mules for the regiments or bridges. In all foraging, of whatever kind, the parties engaged will refrain from abusive or threatening language, and may, where the officer in command thinks proper, give written certificates of the facts, but no receipts, and they will endeavor to leave with each family a reasonable portion for their maintenance.
VII. Negroes who are able-bodied and can be of service to the several columns may be taken along, but each army commander will bear in mind that the question of supplies is a very important one and that his first duty is to see to them who bear arms.
— William T. Sherman, Military Division of the Mississippi Special Field Order 120, November 9, 1864
I think Sherman lost control over certain aspects of the foragers, and also it is fairly well documented that a number of vagabonds and camp followers straggled through in his wake inflicting additional destruction. It is very likely that given the large size of his army, and the amount of ground it covered, that he simply lost control over the finer points of the campaign. I do not think he set out to have the war crimes and atrocities attributed to the Bummers to occur.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:20 pm
by Soldier_Citizen
Yea freed slaves who had nothing cause the army destroyed everything they knew
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:22 pm
by DocNugent
Soldier_Citizen wrote:. . . Your really think Lincoln wanted a "peaceful" rebuilding of the south, after what he allowed Sherman to do? . . .
War was war; peace was peace. Different rules.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:13 pm
by old11bravo
kf7mjf wrote:Headquarters Military Division of the Mississippi,
In the Field, Kingston, Georgia, November 9, 1864
I. For the purpose of military operations, this army is divided into two wings viz.: The right wing, Major-General O. O. Howard commanding, composed of the Fifteenth and Seventeenth Corps; the left wing, Major-General H. W. Slocum commanding, composed of the Fourteenth and Twentieth Corps.
II. The habitual order of march will be, wherever practicable, by four roads, as nearly parallel as possible, and converging at points hereafter to be indicated in orders. The cavalry, Brigadier - General Kilpatrick commanding, will receive special orders from the commander-in-chief.
III. There will be no general train of supplies, but each corps will have its ammunition-train and provision-train, distributed habitually as follows: Behind each regiment should follow one wagon and one ambulance; behind each brigade should follow a due proportion of ammunition - wagons, provision-wagons, and ambulances. In case of danger, each corps commander should change this order of march, by having his advance and rear brigades unencumbered by wheels. The separate columns will start habitually at 7 a.m., and make about fifteen miles per day, unless otherwise fixed in orders.
IV. The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten day's provisions for the command and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass, but during a halt or a camp they may be permitted to gather turnips, potatoes, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock of their camp. To regular foraging parties must be instructed the gathering of provisions and forage at any distance from the road traveled.
V. To army corps commanders alone is intrusted the power to destroy mills, houses, cotton-gins, &c., and for them this general principle is laid down: In districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.
VI. As for horses, mules, wagons, &c., belonging to the inhabitants, the cavalry and artillery may appropriate freely and without limit, discriminating, however, between the rich, who are usually hostile, and the poor or industrious, usually neutral or friendly. Foraging parties may also take mules or horses to replace the jaded animals of their trains, or to serve as pack-mules for the regiments or bridges. In all foraging, of whatever kind, the parties engaged will refrain from abusive or threatening language, and may, where the officer in command thinks proper, give written certificates of the facts, but no receipts, and they will endeavor to leave with each family a reasonable portion for their maintenance.
VII. Negroes who are able-bodied and can be of service to the several columns may be taken along, but each army commander will bear in mind that the question of supplies is a very important one and that his first duty is to see to them who bear arms.
— William T. Sherman, Military Division of the Mississippi Special Field Order 120, November 9, 1864
I think
Police chief lost control over certain aspects of the foragers, and also it is fairly well documented that a number of vagabonds and camp followers straggled through in his wake inflicting additional destruction. It is very likely that given the large size of his
police force, and the amount of ground it covered, that he simply lost control over the finer points of the
fight againtst crime. I do not think he set out to have the
crimes and atrocities attributed to the Bummers to occur.
In all seriousness though,
The Governor has directed that the flags at all state buildings shall be flown at half staff today in recognition of the tragedy that occurred on this night 150 years ago.............
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:28 pm
by kf7mjf
Unlike the paramilitary operators with badges roaming our streets, Sherman at least had the matter of being involved in a legitimate war. He also stated he would provide no support to soldiers who looted or engaged in activities outside of his sanctioned foraging or destruction.
Re: 150 years ago tonight....
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:29 am
by ANZAC
The story of the pursuit of Booth is fascinating.