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Ah yes, the battle cry of the non thinker...."The news said...!"
Show me evidence of actual goods being removed from said vault and I will agree that the gold was recovered.
Picture from a credible media outlet or video..with imbedded time stamp that shows them moving the goods.

Another false flag about that story...cops and firefighters were used to load those goods? Really?
Well then there should be some statement by one of the two groups saying something to the effect of...yeh that was a lot of gold..
If I got to help move 11,000 tons of gold...you could be damn sure I would be bragging about it.

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H2obouget wrote:
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I work with metals in forges.
It takes SERIOUS CONTINUOUS HEAT to melt or even weaken steel.
You are not going to do jack all with paper, seats, chairs and wood fire to a chunk of steel greater than sheet metal...certainly not a freaking I beam supports for a sky skraper. And sky skrapers are not a static load. If they were they would eventually bend from wind.

If a building materials fire were capable of causing a sky skraper to melt, bend, twist, whatever silly logic you want to try.....why don't any of the other sky skraper fires we know about result in a building collapse?
Because steel buildings don't fall down from fires!

But hey fuck it..what the hell do I know...its not like experts in demolitions said it as a controlled demolition or anything. Oh wait, they did!

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Just because you can't fathom why someone would something like this, or you can't wrap you head around the logistics of making it happen, or you can't understand the physics behind it...doesn't mean it didn't happen.
And that is exactly how fear mongering works.
At some point every human hit synaptic over load and the brain simply stop believing that something is, can, did happen(ing).



I've seen structures COLLAPSE because of steel expansion, pushing the exterior brick loadbearing wall out, and causing the other loadbearing members to fail.

Likewise, bridges shut down after a vehicle fire due to expansion and flexing in the steel.

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Hell, even a welder will tell you that metal warps in heat....


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Jesus...critical thinking anyone?

Yes a Fully engulfed building can have issues...this was not fully engulfed...steel below the fire would not be effected in any way.

How fucking old is that bridge picture?
And it only says fire...what kind of fire? At what distance to the structure...was the whole bridge warped?...or just the area near the actual blaze?

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H2obouget wrote:
Ah yes, the battle cry of the non thinker...."The news said...!"
Show me evidence of actual goods being removed from said vault and I will agree that the gold was recovered.
Picture from a credible media outlet or video..with imbedded time stamp that shows them moving the goods.

Another false flag about that story...cops and firefighters were used to load those goods? Really?
Well then there should be some statement by one of the two groups saying something to the effect of...yeh that was a lot of gold..
If I got to help move 11,000 tons of gold...you could be damn sure I would be bragging about it.


Whoa... first you piss on credible media outlets, then you want source from credible media outlets.... pick one. Here is afalse flag crisis actor staged photo firefighter down in the gold vault. http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/engi ... ty_02.html

As an aside, if you were hauling out hundreds of millions in bullion, do you think it would be filmed? Or do you even security?

Anyway, let's see your evidence for all this missing gold. You know the drill on quality of data, since you just set the bar yourself.

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You want me to prove a negative?

Go take a logic class and get your head out of the sand.

As to you pic...that is the first time I have seen that, and I will do more investigation.
I would point out that your first article said that police and fire helped move those items...seems clear from the image that moving those by hand would take months if not years, and that it was most likely moves by fork lift.

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Like many, I've had to try to grasp the concept of these buildings falling down like they did. I don't dwell on this too much. This thread goes into the destruction... without too much histronics. To those that buy the conspircy theory........ or Guvmint, or Rothschild, or what ever.


In my opinion, something like this would require many bodies to carry out an operation of this size. After all these years............... Someone would talk, brag, confess, or accuse. As best as I can tell, no one has. An operation like this to be carried out, and no one talks? After all these years?

This is why I don't buy it.

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H2obouget wrote:
You want me to prove a negative?

Go take a logic class and get your head out of the sand.

As to you pic...that is the first time I have seen that, and I will do more investigation.
I would point out that your first article said that police and fire helped move those items...seems clear from the image that moving those by hand would take months if not years, and that it was most likely moves by fork lift.


So first you claim the gold is missing.

Then you tell me to pull my head out of the sand because I asked you what evidence you used to support your claim that gold is missing.

Then you say I need a logic class, because I asked you to show the proof that gold was missing.

Because you say gold is missing, but can't prove gold is missing, because it's missing, and therefore can't be proved that it's missing, because I really want to know what strain you are smoking because that's some damn good shit right there. How can you claim gold is missing and then get angry and say that asking for proof is cause of a shortcoming on my end?

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danoh wrote:
Like many, I've had to try to grasp the concept of these buildings falling down like they did. I don't dwell on this too much. This thread goes into the destruction... without too much histronics. To those that buy the conspircy theory........ or Guvmint, or Rothschild, or what ever.


In my opinion, something like this would require many bodies to carry out an operation of this size. After all these years............... Someone would talk, brag, confess, or accuse. As best as I can tell, no one has. An operation like this to be carried out, and no one talks? After all these years?

This is why I don't buy it.


I agree. And that is the biggest issue with this whole thing. Either someone has some seriously loyal people, or the universe conspired and didn't bother to ask if physics would allow this to happen.

I am absolutely sure of one thing...some terrorist asshole some where in the world said, "holy shit! Are we seriously going to claim we did all that...on purpose?"

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H2obouget wrote:
If you want proof that the collapse could not happen as stated...buy 12 of those 2 cell cinder blocks.
Stack them like this
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Now pick up the top 4 and drop them on the rest of the stack and see what results you get.

I got $20 that says you can't crush the entire stack straight down.


Not accurate at all.

proportional weight to support structure isn't there... 80% of the weight of that brick helps distribute the load down to the ground, which is strong in compression. The tower, OTOH, had a support structure to hold weight, like like the span of a bridge.

If the tower was a brick, you might have argument.

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H2obouget wrote:
Jesus...critical thinking anyone?

Yes a Fully engulfed building can have issues...this was not fully engulfed...steel below the fire would not be effected in any way.

How fucking old is that bridge picture?
And it only says fire...what kind of fire? At what distance to the structure...was the whole bridge warped?...or just the area near the actual blaze?



You tell me...


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Like material above, like material below.

Build that same experiment out of an errector set then...it still won't fall the way either tower did...much less both of them.
For your argument to work, the weight of the upper structure must exceed the entire resistance of the lower portion of the structure.
If that were true, the building would have been an unstable balancing act in the first place.

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One would think after 10+ years of this crap being explained and debunked over and over and over again... Guess not.


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