If not, and he was indeed just standing there, then yeah, I'd say it's completely justified to use overwhelming force to prevent an armed assault and kidnapping.
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Sun May 03, 2015 10:20 am
skey
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I watched the video of the prosecutor. She appeared very angry and strong-willed. I congratulate her on doing her job.
I just wish during her speech she had mentioned one other thing. She was speaking along the lines of "all people of this city will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of their occupation." She should have added "Just as my office is vigilantly prosecuting these officers, so shall we prosecute those that have committed arson; burning down buildings and vehicles. We shall also prosecute those that have committed violence, rioting, and looting in the past days. All of you are next on my list, I'll be seeing you shortly."
Sure. Let me know when that comes out. Not.
Sun May 03, 2015 12:05 pm
TechnoWeenie
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"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Sun May 03, 2015 12:14 pm
finster
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If not, and he was indeed just standing there, then yeah, I'd say it's completely justified to use overwhelming force to prevent an armed assault and kidnapping.
I'm not sure what you mean could you reread and clarify? Did you mean that if he was just standing there than they were completely justified to use overwhelming force? Also what armed assault and kidnapping were they preventing?
Sun May 03, 2015 12:20 pm
TechnoWeenie
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If not, and he was indeed just standing there, then yeah, I'd say it's completely justified to use overwhelming force to prevent an armed assault and kidnapping.
I'm not sure what you mean could you reread and clarify? Did you mean that if he was just standing there than they were completely justified to use overwhelming force? Also what armed assault and kidnapping were they preventing?
You know exactly what I mean, and just want me to outright say it...So I will.
If he wasn't doing anything wrong, then that would be assault and kidnapping. The PEOPLE should use overwhelming force to prevent such an attack and subsequent kidnapping by armed men.
If a man who is doing nothing wrong, is attacked , then all reasonable force, up to lethal, if required, should be used to prevent the attack and potential kidnapping.
A uniform doesn't mean anything when committing unlawful acts... Assault is assault, kidnapping is kidnapping...etc.
If the guy was tossing rocks, cutting hose, etc then obviously the arrest was lawful..
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Sun May 03, 2015 12:29 pm
finster
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If not, and he was indeed just standing there, then yeah, I'd say it's completely justified to use overwhelming force to prevent an armed assault and kidnapping.
I'm not sure what you mean could you reread and clarify? Did you mean that if he was just standing there than they were completely justified to use overwhelming force? Also what armed assault and kidnapping were they preventing?
You know exactly what I mean, and just want me to outright say it...So I will.
If he wasn't doing anything wrong, then that would be assault and kidnapping. The PEOPLE should use overwhelming force to prevent such an attack and subsequent kidnapping by armed men.
If a man who is doing nothing wrong, is attacked , then all reasonable force, up to lethal, if required, should be used to prevent the attack and potential kidnapping.
A uniform doesn't mean anything when committing unlawful acts... Assault is assault, kidnapping is kidnapping...etc.
No I really didn't know what you meant which is why I tried to ask for clarification nicely. Didn't mean for it to come out otherwise.
I don't have the clip from right before that so I have no clue as to the prior circumstances, but from the tweets I have read it seems as though these were people out past curfew who refused to obey martial law. There are a lot of pics of white people in lawn chairs drinking beers disobeying the curfew also lol they were asked nicely. If I come across the clip of how an officer asked the white neighborhood to go home I will post it because he talks to them like a bunch of kindergarteners. Really funny actually.
Sun May 03, 2015 12:35 pm
TechnoWeenie
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If not, and he was indeed just standing there, then yeah, I'd say it's completely justified to use overwhelming force to prevent an armed assault and kidnapping.
I'm not sure what you mean could you reread and clarify? Did you mean that if he was just standing there than they were completely justified to use overwhelming force? Also what armed assault and kidnapping were they preventing?
You know exactly what I mean, and just want me to outright say it...So I will.
If he wasn't doing anything wrong, then that would be assault and kidnapping. The PEOPLE should use overwhelming force to prevent such an attack and subsequent kidnapping by armed men.
If a man who is doing nothing wrong, is attacked , then all reasonable force, up to lethal, if required, should be used to prevent the attack and potential kidnapping.
A uniform doesn't mean anything when committing unlawful acts... Assault is assault, kidnapping is kidnapping...etc.
No I really didn't know what you meant which is why I tried to ask for clarification nicely. Didn't mean for it to come out otherwise.
I don't have the clip from right before that so I have no clue as to the prior circumstances, but from the tweets I have read it seems as though these were people out past curfew who refused to obey martial law. There are a lot of pics of white people in lawn chairs drinking beers disobeying the curfew also lol they were asked nicely. If I come across the clip of how an officer asked the white neighborhood to go home I will post it because he talks to them like a bunch of kindergarteners. Really funny actually.
I'd like to see a cite of the constitutional authority to ban movement based on how many photons are hitting the area from solar radiation.
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Sun May 03, 2015 1:11 pm
Edwin
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Apparently police are denying he was injured at all even though witnesses are saying that he was foaming at the mouth before they got him in the ambulance..... https://twitter.com/deray/status/595332484566556673
Mon May 04, 2015 1:03 pm
snozzberries
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Police need to De-escalate situations, not escalate them. Guy has a knife, police can use a stick. Guy has a gun, police can use a knife/taser. Guy shoots gun at officers, officers can pull out their gun. Officer get's hit with a bullet, they can fire back.
Right now it's "guy has knife, kill him", "guy has rocks, kill him", "guy is running away, kill him".
Mon May 04, 2015 3:21 pm
movingviolation
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Guy has a gun, police can use a knife/taser. Guy shoots gun at officers, officers can pull out their gun. Officer get's hit with a bullet, they can fire back.
you're joking, right?
Mon May 04, 2015 4:34 pm
Massivedesign
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Police need to De-escalate situations, not escalate them. Guy has a knife, police can use a stick. Guy has a gun, police can use a knife/taser. Guy shoots gun at officers, officers can pull out their gun. Officer get's hit with a bullet, they can fire back.
Right now it's "guy has knife, kill him", "guy has rocks, kill him", "guy is running away, kill him".
So that would apply to us too then? Guy comes running at you with a knife, pull out your ASP? Nope, bang bang, repeat.
Mon May 04, 2015 4:45 pm
CurtisLemansky
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