Exactly. What's a murderer got to fear if we abolish the death penalty? 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their life?

My mosins, and ammo are available free of charge to any state that asks.

And putting people in jail for using and selling drugs has sure stopped people from using and selling drugs.

Anyway, leading criminologists beg to differ as to the effectiveness of the death penalty. http://scholarlycommons.law.northwester ... ntext=jclc

I am no scholar...

I don't pretend to be.

You can wish to live in a... more perfect world. A world free of crime and free of all of life's harsh realities. You can be in utopia. A perfect world. A "Civilized" world...

But the True World isn't perfect. We pretend to be civilized. It's just a matter of who the "boss" is. Everyone has a "boss"... the danger is when you don't think you have a "boss" and play God. I give you North Korea... That idiot is the Boss since NO One can say no to him. "Power" unlimited... begets a twisted reality.

So back to the Death Penalty... I live in this "not so perfect" world. It's called real life.


Yes, the Death Penalty is there for a reason. It should be used for cases like these where the acts of HORRIFIC killing!!! 6 of their own family... planned and executed by senseless humans upon their own... It does call for the simple act of Death for them.





For those that... support life... for murderers.

You can sit on that high platform you call your ass... but you still shit with it. And you know what? Shit stinks... it doesn't matter if it comes out of a scholar...

There's no way of avoiding the smell... and here's the harsh reality of life... when you can't shit... you die.

One can be aware of the reality of crime and still refuse to adhere to primitive legalized revenge punishments. That's the difference between scraping about in the muck of our baser instincts and rising above them.

In the good old days, there was no 50 years of appeals. Death? Sun up next day, here ya go: F-em!

What I call this...

Is life looks good on "paper". You're born, live and try to live a good life and per mommy... nothing bad ever happens.

Well, it looked good on "paper." A scholar looking at how life should be... is one thing.

Life should be all happy and good. I support this idea. But when it becomes to reality of life. The "ideal" isn't reality.
It's nice to talk about but it's not real. Don't get me wrong, we, living in the USA are living a very good life (compared to most of the world)...




It's like when you ask what is acceptable for a population of 100,000 for traffic deaths?
Most people will be okay with 6... which is what it is...(6.79 per 100,000 in Washington State) http://vehicle-fatalities.findthedata.com/

But translate that to how many in your family traffic deaths... would be okay?

See how it goes from "paper" to reality.

See the problem is, you seem to be presuming that anybody who doesn't support the death penalty somehow is disconnected from reality and would support them if only they were more street smart, or had been a victim of violent crime or what ever goalpost is being promoted this week as what it would take to get people to switch sides.

I can say zero traffic deaths is the only acceptable number or I can put on my grown up pants and realize that with all things there is a certain risk and hope that when the wheel stops spinning it doesn't land on my number or that of somebody I care about. I can say that even though 55mph speed limits have been shown to save lives, the trade off between the convenience of higher freeway speeds and increased traffic deaths is an exchange society seems willing to make.

The world is big and complicated and full of things on and off of paper, and I've seen plenty both ways. No, I'm not going to try and compete in the billy bad ass streetsmart Olympics just to try and prove that my opinions rate the same as somebody else's just because they've experienced gritty event A, while I've only experienced gritty event B. The fact of the matter is, on or off paper, moral high horse, or whatever you want to say, views against the death penalty come from all walks of life, from persons wrongly convicted, to prosecutors who have had changes of opinion, to people who just look at things on paper because they have to examine the life choices and views of people who have had more compelling experiences. There are many reasons to oppose it, and they tend to come down to one of three arguments. 1, that we cannot be certain is is correctly applied in all cases, 2, that it is simply more cost effective to do away with it, and 3, that horrible moral high horse that thinks that maybe once we have a person in captivity, killing them is wrong.

My own stance, born of research and my own personal morals is that I refuse to stoop to the level of a killer and kill somebody who is not an active threat, nor do I wish to stoop to the baser instinct of engaging in a blood soaked revenge ritual that in the end only provides a limited emotional release that tends to focus around feelings of moral superiority or vengeance. Well, I'm just not hardcore enough to pass judgement on somebody's life when they are behind bars, because that life is not mine to take, nor do I like the idea of a government empowered to make that same judgement. Regardless of the circumstances.

I'm a huge fan of capital punishment. Hell, I'd even buy enough rope for the State to execute all those currently on Death Row.

The family of the 6 victims gave me a new perspective in their comments however.

If the Jury had returned a verdict of Death, that would just begin a series of appeals that would last at least 15 years regardless of what brain dead governor we'd have. Some family members might not even live long enough to see justice for their loved ones.

The Life Sentence closes the book on this waste of DNA. Ge's off to prison forever. It would be nice to give him the "Super Max" treatment where he spends 23 hours per day in his cell and only gets an hour per day of outdoor exercise. Then again, if he's allowed to "mingle" he may get the same treatment as Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Death Penalty today is no longer effective. Even the most hardened criminals don't see it as a deterrent. If it's carried out it's only after long periods of endless appeals, injunctions, dumbass governor's intervention, etc. Why bother?

Life in prison works if it's the most miserable life one can imagine, just as long as it comes up short of being considered "cruel and unusual".

I tend to agree that the mere threat of the death penalty is not a deterrent against murder, but that doesn't mean I'm for abolishing it, and I completely disagree that a life sentence in prison is more humane than a noose or a bullet (needles are debatable). Prisoners get raped, beaten, stabbed, strangled, and more when they are supposedly in a "secure" facility. I see no credibility in the argument that a relatively painless, court-sanctioned death is in any way less humane than living for years with the daily threat of violence and violation.