Thinking the same thing. The other two choices were too hard to make, take the simple on. Better yet, use one of those torpedo's that just vaporizes the target. "What do you mean we sunk your ship. I can assure you that absolutely nothing went to the bottom of the sea, at all "

You realize the list of Americans killed by Iranians is significantly shorter than the list of Iranians killed by Americans right?

As is the list of military actions Iran has taken against the US vs US actions against Iran.

But aside from any of that, I'm disgusted by the complete lack of regard for human life shown in this thread. With no proof of any wrongdoing, you all are advocating killing everyone on board a civilian cargo ship. This is the EXACT type of behavior we ascribe to our supposed enemies as justification for the war on terrorism.

If we're talking about the number of Americans killed by weapons supplied to fighters by Iran, I assure you the # is much higher than you think. But none of that is even relevant to the situation at hand.


We are not all advocating killing everyone on board. I believe my comment was actually the opposite - that we should not engage yet. Also, you are ascribing a lot of trustworthiness to Iran in assuming they are all civilians. I wouldn't put it past them to stash a crapload of heavy weaponry behind the first aid supplies and emergency rations. But I agree with you that we should verify that is the case before hitting the kill switch.

The warships not the cargo vessel.

Boy... did you miss the "boat" or what?

There are 3 ships involved here from Iran... 2 WARSHIPs and 1 cargo ship.

Boarding is the issue but the cargo ship isn't the threat... THE 2 WARSHIPS are.


Taking "action" (aka boarding) can lead to many things. If no threat... no problem. If they (the warships) pose or become a threat... then its their action we take action against.

Are you saying we should back down and slink away like Californians who are against guns and gun owners that wants you to do if your home was broken into by robbers (not stand your ground but flee)?

God I wonder why America is slinking into the state we are going...

There's a monster of a difference between defending yourself, and aggression. Don't be so fucking naive. If you can reasonably point out how a couple of warships going to fucking YEMEN is somehow an act of aggression against the US please do.

Well, I would say the one that is "naive" is yourself if you think it takes 2 warships to deliver "humanitarian aid" via a cargo ship. Do you understand the concept of deception and that it may not be all "humanitarian aid" they are actually delivering?

Do you understand that "they" the Iranians may be sending military aid? Also do you understand this may be a "ploy" to invoke action by the US to "board" said cargo ship just to demonstrate that the US as aggressors? And as a ploy to fake out the US so the US doesn't board and actually find said "military aid" hoping that we'll wimp out and not board because of people like you...

It's a damn if you do and damned if you don't. It's life. You have to make "hard" choices sometimes. It's what the "big boys and gals" have to make the call.

I am glad you are not making the call.

And yet, apparently I'm the problem because I think foreign policy actions have often unintended consequences... Possibly consequences that will lead to further terrorism. For fucks sake, it ain't real hard to see why terrorists hate us when the underlying mentality of you people is "kill all the brown people," at which point you elect people who do just that.

And the cycle continues.

What interests does the US have in Yemen? And I completely understand it, which begs the question. Why do we care? What interest does the US have in Yemen?

And I can understand why Iran MIGHT feel it necessary to escort a civilian cargo ship through the straight of hormuz to yemen. "Accidents," can and already have happened.

They hate us because we live the dream. We are Americans that have freedom's they can't even understand.

We live a life and standard of life that is simply unbelievable to the rest of the world. We are Americans... that is why they hate us.

Again, it's a damn if you do and damned if you don't.



What interests? It's called stability. It's called humanitarian interests. It's called being the "Good guy". It's human decency.

I'm going to go on a stretch here and say you have never been outside the US (to a poor country).





So, let's teach some geography and politics.

It's called a strategic location to have a stable government that is US friendly in a "land" this is mostly made up of... well... not so friendly to US interests. Globally its location is key. (LOOK AT A MAP). It's one side of the opening to the Red Sea. Boarding on Africa where countries can fall and rise within months/years.

Stability and location is key.

This whole conversation was moot 3 hours ago by the way.

http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-jets-pound- ... 53513.html

The race card is really, really worn out. Like an old pair of boots full of holes kind of worn out. The "progressives" have tossed it out so many times you can see right through it. There are so many more creative and fun ad hominem arguments out there. Try again.

The reality is that while there is some truth to what you say about aggressive U.S. intervention in foreign policy, the stoppage of said intervention would not appease the more radical elements within these countries. They would still demand our conversion or death. The terror attacks would still come. In fact, they'd come on stronger, because we would appear weak. Peace through strength, and sometimes, at the barrel of a gun. That's life. Better the fight is over there than over here.

Not to worry, we will be replaying the game in the near future. It will be either with us or with Israel on their way to Gaza.
P.S. The brown people thing was a bit over the top and not appreciated. I am assuming you know nothing about how much we as people donate to help Brown People around the world, nor how much we give collectively as a nation across the globe to help Brown People anytime something bad happens.

You're right. I should have been much more specific. Next time it'll be, "kill all muslims."