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To board... or not to board... Iranian war ships near Yemen
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oldkim
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Location: Maple Valley, WA Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 Posts: 9428
Real Name: Young
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rayjax82 wrote: So destroying an Iranian cargo ship is now considered humanitarian? Ever notice how our humanitarian interests end up wildly destabilizing whatever country we end up in? Iraq and ISIS maybe? And you're certainly stretching, as half my family hails from a poor country in south america, of which I've visited and met some very interesting distant relatives. Amongst other countries south of our border whom are less well off than our home country. Most of which see nothing that could be considered humanitarian aid. Likely because these countries don't have anything that interests the US.
You are fixated on destroying. It's called boarding to inspect... which as you pointed out... they have agreed to.
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| Wed May 20, 2015 10:24 am |
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skey
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rayjax82 wrote: skey wrote: Not to worry, we will be replaying the game in the near future. It will be either with us or with Israel on their way to Gaza. P.S. The brown people thing was a bit over the top and not appreciated. I am assuming you know nothing about how much we as people donate to help Brown People around the world, nor how much we give collectively as a nation across the globe to help Brown People anytime something bad happens. You're right. I should have been much more specific. Next time it'll be, "kill all muslims." 
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Guns4Liberty
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A wise man once said, "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Anyone know who that wise man was? 
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| Wed May 20, 2015 10:29 am |
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oldkim
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Mark Twain... Attachment: Mark twain never argue.jpg Good point... 
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| Wed May 20, 2015 10:32 am |
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rayjax82
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Location: Stanwood Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 Posts: 1919
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Seriously fuck you guys. I'm out.
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| Wed May 20, 2015 10:35 am |
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RENCORP
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Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 13009
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rayjax82 wrote: Guns4Liberty wrote: challenge their(Iran's) aggression. You realize the list of Americans killed by Iranians is significantly shorter than the list of Iranians killed by Americans right? As is the list of military actions Iran has taken against the US vs US actions against Iran. But aside from any of that, I'm disgusted by the complete lack of regard for human life shown in this thread. With no proof of any wrongdoing, you all are advocating killing everyone on board a civilian cargo ship. This is the EXACT type of behavior we ascribe to our supposed enemies as justification for the war on terrorism. HONNNK !! Penalty for Outrageous Assumption. Edited for the addition of this sentence after reading the rest of the comments here. If you seriously think irreverent attempts at humor on a forum to make the best of a bad situation occurring half way around the world we have absolutely no control over or say in what goes down are serious standards we all adhere to, you are seriously misguided in your assumptions. Perhaps you could hang out on Twitter, or Facebook, where stupid stuff gets jumped on and taken viral all the time, completely out of context with reality. Everyone knows you board the vessel, and inspect everything. If the cargo is legit, no problem. If the cargo is arms, evacuate the crew, and vaporize the ship with everything on it. There is my final solution spelled out. Teddy Roosevelt said it best. " Walk softly, and carry a big stick. "
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mislabeled
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rayjax82 wrote: <snip>
And yet, apparently I'm the problem because I think foreign policy actions have often unintended consequences... Possibly consequences that will lead to further terrorism. For fucks sake, it ain't real hard to see why terrorists hate us when the underlying mentality of you people is "kill all the brown people," at which point you elect people who do just that.
And the cycle continues. I'm only including one quote because I'm lazy, but will reference the others. You brought up some intriguing points that were, unfortunately, quite undermined by the "kill all the brown people" remark. First, we have an individual in the seat of power in the US who is half black, and who frequently appears to identify as all black. Also, the article link you posted (later in this thread) indicates that Saudi-led forces have been killing Houthis. This is coupled with the fact that Sunnis and Shi'ites are (and have been) busy fighting in Yemen, Syria, Iran, and other Middle Eastern areas. If you're the type of person who divides the world into brown and white, it's worth pointing out that every single one of those groups would probably fall into the "brown" category, whether they be killers or killees (not a word, I know). Clearly something other than skin color is at play here. They are also ALL Muslims, so, again, there's obviously something else going on. In addition, any notion that Iran has a viable argument about providing that kind of protection for commercial vessels moving through the Strait of Hormuz is unsupported. Not only is it a location that's heavily patrolled by a number of countries -- some with competing interests, and few (other than Iran) that have shown a propensity for interfering with commercial traffic -- and closely watched by all involved, Iran has also declared on several occasions that their mere presence provides the bulk of security for ships transiting the area. Unless there's something extraordinary about this particular cargo ship, or unless their goal is/was to provoke other nations, then the use of 2 warships is difficult to explain. So either there IS something extraordinary about this ship, or they WERE trying to incite a reaction, or there's SOMETHING else happening here. I always enjoy an intelligent dissection of a situation, I just felt these 2 points were a little off center. Edited because of stupid autocorrect.
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finster
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oldkim wrote: They hate us because we live the dream. We are Americans that have freedom's they can't even understand.
We live a life and standard of life that is simply unbelievable to the rest of the world. We are Americans... that is why they hate us.
Again, it's a damn if you do and damned if you don't.
What interests? It's called stability. It's called humanitarian interests. It's called being the "Good guy". It's human decency.
I'm going to go on a stretch here and say you have never been outside the US (to a poor country).
So, let's teach some geography and politics.
It's called a strategic location to have a stable government that is US friendly in a "land" this is mostly made up of... well... not so friendly to US interests. Globally its location is key. (LOOK AT A MAP). It's one side of the opening to the Red Sea. Boarding on Africa where countries can fall and rise within months/years.
Stability and location is key. So Iranians don't hate us because we installed a very very harsh dictator at the behest of standard oil who tortured his own people in huge numbers in order to try to stay in power? They hate us because they are envious? It couldn't be because once they threw out our dictator we haven't even allowed them to sell the one asset that they have (oil) on the open market? Or that we supported Saddam Hussein with chemical, biological and other weapons in a long war against them? Nah they just hate our Kardashian's and SUVs..... LOL and you guys called rayjax an idiot......
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oldkim
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"An enemy of my enemy... is my friend." Shit stinks... it's a matter of "who" has to clean it up and "when." Also when you have 20/20 hindsight... then YOU ARE ALWAYS right... 
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| Wed May 20, 2015 10:47 am |
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