He did an excellent breakdown of the potential advantages and bonafide shortcomings. Bottom line- only works reliably for a single shot or double barrel, and preferable for a recoil sensitive person. Very small market.
Self defense in close quarters = more shots from the same weapon.
I was waiting for him to talk about how the short shells fed in a pump action shotgun, which is one of my personal favorites for HD. No bueno. So for reliable function we're limited to single shot and double barrel shotguns if using the short shells.
I was waiting for him to talk about how the short shells fed in a pump action shotgun, which is one of my personal favorites for HD. No bueno. So for reliable function we're limited to single shot and double barrel shotguns if using the short shells.
Or a win 1300
I like the Win 1300, but don't know why you think these short Aguila 12ga shells will work reliably in them. Do you have more information? Did I miss something in the review?
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:59 am
Bronco
Location: Lake Stevens Joined: Tue Jan 30, 2018 Posts: 80
I was waiting for him to talk about how the short shells fed in a pump action shotgun, which is one of my personal favorites for HD. No bueno. So for reliable function we're limited to single shot and double barrel shotguns if using the short shells.
Or a win 1300
I like the Win 1300, but don't know why you think these short Aguila 12ga shells will work reliably in them. Do you have more information? Did I miss something in the review?
Didn't watch the video yet, but 1 3/4" shells work just fine in the 1300
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
Proof that even a broken clock is right twice a day:
"The reason people are stupider, to your point, is because they dont read anymore; and the reason they dont read anymore is because there is no time, because they are doing this [social media] bullshit." - Bill Maher, watch him say it in the video at 3:25 to 3:35
I can't believe Bill Maher said something I actually agree with.
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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
If you ever wondered how it's possible to ski steep slopes in ski resorts without getting buried in an avalanche, the reason is explosives, lots of explosives:
Hand Tossing (Whitefish Ski Resort, BC)
Helicopter Delivery (Steven's Pass, WA)
Direct Fire Artillery (Snowbird Ski Resort, UT)
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:27 pm
jdhbulseye
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If you ever wondered how it's possible to ski steep slopes in ski resorts without getting buried in an avalanche, the reason is explosives, lots of explosives:
Hand Tossing (Whitefish Ski Resort, BC)
Helicopter Delivery (Steven's Pass, WA)
Direct Fire Artillery (Snowbird Ski Resort, UT)
Some places use old recoil-less rifles too!
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MadPick wrote:
Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
Yes most definitely they are used in both ski resort and highway safety avalanche control work. At Mammoth Mountain where I used to teach skiing the patrol used a combination of hand tossing along with two 105mm howitzers to cover the upper mountain with direct fire from firing stations on the mid-mountain ridges. Used to wake up many mornings in the winter to the sound of whump-whump-whump
Here's some recoilless videos. First from Snowbird resort near SLC, UT:
Second one from highway control work in Alaska:
Our patrol there at Mammoth organized a Spring avalanche safety class for skier's doing resort sidecountry or backcountry skiing. They bombed a couple slopes beforehand then buried beacons in the debris outflow. Then we'd get to run the beacon search to find the 'victim' and they would evaluate our search technique and time required. Modern avy beacons are really cool technology also using Digital Signal Processors to create far more efficient search patterns than their older, analog predecessors.
Used to do a lot of backcountry skiing in California and Washington so have take a couple avalanche safety classes. The patrol at Crystal Mt in WA is really on top of their game. They organize some really great avalanche safety training courses and Crystal also has an awesome avy beacon practice area where you can practice coarse & fine searching followed by probing. A flashing light goes off when you strike the buried transceiver box under the snow with your avy probe along with elapsed time. Used to be right at the Campbell Lodge. Great resource. https://www.crystalmountainresort.com/the-mountain/mountain-safety/avalanche-safety/
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:46 am
jdhbulseye
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Yes most definitely they are used in both ski resort and highway safety avalanche control work. At Mammoth Mountain where I used to teach skiing the patrol used a combination of hand tossing along with two 105mm howitzers to cover the upper mountain with direct fire from firing stations on the mid-mountain ridges. Used to wake up many mornings in the winter to the sound of whump-whump-whump
Here's some recoilless videos. First from Snowbird resort near SLC, UT:
Second one from highway control work in Alaska:
Our patrol there at Mammoth organized a Spring avalanche safety class for skier's doing resort sidecountry or backcountry skiing. They bombed a couple slopes beforehand then buried beacons in the debris outflow. Then we'd get to run the beacon search to find the 'victim' and they would evaluate our search technique and time required. Modern avy beacons are really cool technology also using Digital Signal Processors to create far more efficient search patterns than their older, analog predecessors.
Used to do a lot of backcountry skiing in California and Washington so have take a couple avalanche safety classes. The patrol at Crystal Mt in WA is really on top of their game. They organize some really great avalanche safety training courses and Crystal also has an awesome avy beacon practice area where you can practice coarse & fine searching followed by probing. A flashing light goes off when you strike the buried transceiver box under the snow with your avy probe along with elapsed time. Used to be right at the Campbell Lodge. Great resource. https://www.crystalmountainresort.com/the-mountain/mountain-safety/avalanche-safety/
Only the Police and Military need guns though and the only purpose for weapons of war is to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible....amirite?
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MadPick wrote:
Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot
"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker
A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.
^^^ Yes agreed only the military and police could possibly need explosives (sarcasm) Screw the ski industry, highway transportation departments, mining industry, building demolition, and so forth. None of those are necessary to our society in the slightest.
Seriously though I never cease to be stunned by the incredible level of ignorance of either the lawmakers putatively in charge of developing gun related legislation or the citizens proposing new restrictions. All display an amazing lack of knowledge of existing laws, firearms technology, and indeed just basic human nature.
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