leadcounsel wrote:TechnoWeenie wrote:leadcounsel wrote:What is your SOLUTION to distracted drivers?
Bats. Airhorns. Paintball guns. nails/screws. Schrader valve removal tool aka valve stem tool.Etc
I think people wouldn't do half the shit they do if they realized someone might beat the shit out of them for doing it...
There are a lot of people that deserve it too...
There is a difference between moral right and legal right. Not legal to put a gun to the back of the head and pull the trigger of some guy trying to steal your car, morally OK in my book. Likewise it's legal to murder an unborn child aka abortion, not OK morally..
Similarly, not legal to flatten the tires of a car tailgating you, but morally? Give the guy a couple warnings and then go to town...If the guy wasn't following so close he'd be able to avoid the road hazard. The problem, IMO, comes into play when there are vehicles other than your intended target on the roadway.
This reminds me.. The back of my truck gets dirty, I need to put in a pressurized water dispenser in the rear.....maybe some small nozzles on the bumper or something facing the tail lights to keep them clean..
So, let me get this clear.
You are routinely anti-cop
Nope. Anti-corruption, anti-abuse, pro-accountability, pro-citizen, pro-rights
and post frequently on police over-reach and brutality by an organization that spends billions collectively and takes training and responsibilities to the community and law enforcement seriously.
Training cops to shoot everyone so they go home at night isn't training, it's brainwashing, conditioning a response. But that's another thread altogether.
You want to replace that with every moron with an average IQ of 90 going out and doing vigilante justice as judge, jury, and executioner. These mouth breathers we see in society have no training and are often totally unreasonable in life, and would be unreasonable in the application of any street conviction and punishment.
Everyone? No, just me.. Haahahah.... There are lots of things that sound great that we all know won't work in reality. I mentioned the nails vs tailgater, that impacts other drivers that have nothing to do with this asshole tailgating. So while it'd be nice to get the guy off my ass and park him for an hour or 2, it's not practical. Now if it's removing the valve stem from a guy driving like a dick that you find in the Safeway parking lot that you both happen to be going to.. Well... Have at it....
Talking on your phone while driving? Sure, then a car full of tough guys follow you to your house and want a confrontation over it, or they do $10,000 worth of damage to your car while you're in home depot shopping...
Yeah, I can't possibly see any problems going forward.
The problem is, is that everyone thinks that they are the top 5% drivers of the world. Everyone thinks they can sip on their latte while cutting their fingernails while having a phone conversation and checking their text messages while they're driving.. I've seen safe use of mobile phones and other devices. I've also people drift across Lanes and almost hit me.
Of course, we're never going to be able to beat the shit out of someone's car because they forced you off the road onto the shoulder because they're too busy texting, or because they don't know how to check their mirrors before they change lanes, that doesn't mean they don't deserve it. And to be completely honest with you, if I was on a jury, and some guy was accused of breaking the taillight of some guy that force them onto the shoulder because he was too busy sending a text, my vote would be not guilty in a heartbeat. Again, moral versus legal.
You can't really cure stupidity, but you can make people pause before they act stupidly. Kind of like people trying to force their way into traffic, call their Bluff. Let them hit you. Maybe they'll think about it next time and realize that they're the one that's going to be ruled at fault. Or, when the six foot two 400 lb guy gets out of his vehicle that the fight that they wanted to get in, was probably not a good idea.
The problem is, just like HOV, just like reckless driving, people racing on the streets, Etc law enforcement can't be everywhere at all times. I can't count how many times I've contacted County or State Police, advise them of the bullshit that I've seen, advise them that I have it on camera and then I would like to speak to a trooper, provide descriptions of the vehicle, license plate number, description of the driver,etc. and not hear shit back.... I just stopped calling. No one gives a fuck. I mean, I have a video of the guy doing stupid shit, obviously five or six tickets worth, obviously unsafe shit, which is proof of what happened. Which would be a guaranteed conviction, and they don't fucking care.
Which brings up the whole immoral versus illegal thing. Just because your speeding doesn't mean you're driving unsafely. Just because you California stop a stop sign, does not mean you were driving unsafely. There are plenty of violations that I've seen, that don't even register on my radar, because they're not unsafe. You see a guy swerving? Pull them over. Tailgating? Drifting in the lane? Erratic speed? Then yes, pull them over. But seriously, how many of you need to look at your cup holder, in order to pull your cup out of its cup holder and take a sip? How many of you take your eyes off the road to be able to grab Fry's out of your bag when you stop at McDonald's? Pretty much no one. If there's someone that is taking their eyes off the road to grab a fry, or take a sip of their drink, they're fucking retarded and shouldn't be on the road anyway.
And yes, I have zero sympathy for the idiot putting on mascara or eyeliner, or whatever the fuck it is, while they're driving, and then stabs themself in the eye when they get honked at when they can't maintain their Lane... in fact, I do believe pain compliance, is a tactic used by the police. Funny that.
Bottom line. No we can't beat the shit out of people's cars, as much as we want to or as much as they deserve to. We need to focus on the people that are driving unsafely, and not lump everybody under one umbrella. When's the last time someone got a criminal reckless driving charge when they rear-ended somebody because they were sending a text message? Why didn't they get charged with reckless driving? Or at least negligent driving? They always get charged with following too closely or something like that. But they never add on to it. Why is that? Law enforcement has tools at its disposal that it's not using. All you have to do is think outside the box. Instead, another law is passed, a law that is ripe for abuse.
Now, in order to pull someone over, all a cop has to say is, I thought he was looking at a phone.
Can you name one law that has not been taken out of context and used for purposes other than what the law was originally intended for? Law enforcement has already had the capabilities to download contacts and text messages and all that fun stuff from phones for quite a while, and a lot of agencies are now equipping vehicles with this technology. You honestly don't think that they're going to con someone into forking over their phone, under the guise of needing it for evidence, or trying to get a warrant for that phone, and then finding out that that person was engaged in some other illegal activity?
And you think that's funny?
Let me ask you this, when politicians were rallying for laws that required business licenses to protect the public, do you think police would be arresting eight-year-old girls for selling lemonade on the side of the road to fund their Girl Scout trip? Do you think when the FDA claimed that it needed to regulate food products in the United States for Public Safety, that they would be raiding a small farm with SWAT teams because they gave their neighbors unpasteurized milk?
If ever there is an entrance for tyranny, it will be under the guise of Public Safety.
