Concealed carry permit holders more law-abiding than police

[snozzberries]

Permit Holders are Extremely Law-abiding
It is very rare for permit holders to violate the law. In order to appreciate how incredibly rare these violations are, one needs to remember that there are over 16.3 million permit holders in the US. Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the US that is anywhere near as law-abiding.

To get an idea of just how law-abiding concealed handgun permit holders are, we need only compare them to police. According to a study in Police Quarterly, police committed an average of 703 crimes per year from 2005 to 2007. 113 of these involved firearms violations. This is likely to be an underestimate, since not all police crimes receive media coverage. The authors of the study may also have missed some media reports. With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the U.S. from 2005 to 2007, we find that there were about 103 crimes per hundred thousand officers.

For the U.S. population as a whole, the crime rate was 37 times higher -- 3,813 crimes per hundred thousand people. Perhaps police crimes are underreported due to leniency from fellow officers, butthe vast crime gap between police and the general populace is indisputable.

Even given the low conviction rate for police, concealed carry permit holders are even more law-abiding than police. Between October 1, 1987 and June 30, 2017, Florida revoked 11,189 concealed handgun permits for misdemeanors or felonies. This is an annual revocation rate of 10.4 permits per 100,000. In Texas in 2016 (the last year for which data is available), 148 permit holders were convicted of a felony or misdemeanor – a conviction rate of 12.3 per 100,000. Combining Florida and Texas data, we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth of the rate for police officers.

Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000. That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states.

Source: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3004915

Last edited by snozzberries on Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

[Selador]

Your link doesn't say the same thing as your post...

[snozzberries]

Your link doesn't say the same thing as your post...

The link is to the abstract. You have to download the actual paper. I didn't want to link to a PDF.

[Selador]

Your link doesn't say the same thing as your post...

The link is to the abstract. You have to download the actual paper. I didn't want to link to a PDF.

I will!!!

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.ph ... 12&EXT=pdf

Go to page 19.

[snozzberries]

What do people think of the fact that CPL holders are more law-abiding than police?
What do you think of the fact that we are almost infinitely more law-abiding than the general public?

How can we use these facts to push legislation against the general public, and not against CPL holders?

Given how law-abiding CPL holders are, should there be another class, that can have Fully Automatic weapons etc?

[mislabeled]

What do people think of the fact that CPL holders are more law-abiding than police?
What do you think of the fact that we are almost infinitely more law-abiding than the general public?

How can we use these facts to push legislation against the general public, and not against CPL holders?

Given how law-abiding CPL holders are, should there be another class, that can have Fully Automatic weapons etc?

We should be looking for ways to reduce legislation, not increase it. Americans need fewer restrictions, not more.

[Pablo]

I never thought of cops as more or less law abiding than the general public in the grand scheme. Maybe statistically they are, maybe they just have a wider dynamic range/standard deviation. Really good law abiding cops, to some really evil hind-end stinkers, which makes them far worse than a common criminal. Point is, I agree - I these numbers don't lie and we should be free and clear of 594.