Senate Blocks GOP Health Bill

[Alpine]

More hyperbole and ignoring my arguments, posted sources and all reality.

How would repealing the mandate have even affected medicaid? Unbelievable.

Please read and respond to each argument and source or this isn't worth my time.

[Jonathan Brown]

Wouldn't want to waste any of your time with compassion or anything silly like that. That wouldn't be prudent.

Did you even WATCH the hearings and the votes in congress the last couple weeks? Medicaid was on the block.

Do you know what the CBO is? Have you wondered why they scored these hideous attempts so low?

Do you realize that McCain fell on his sword for these assholes? They knew it was a shit bill. They knew McCain would be the 3rd no vote. They hoped it would fail, but couldn't face the likes of yourself if they voted against it. McCain saved them from their own consciences. A bunch of chickenshits.

[Guns4Liberty]

Wouldn't want to waste any of your time with compassion or anything silly like that. That wouldn't be prudent.

Democrats are always charitable with other people's money, then claim to be the party of compassion. What a load of crap.

[Jonathan Brown]

Wouldn't want to waste any of your time with compassion or anything silly like that. That wouldn't be prudent.

Democrats are always charitable with other people's money, then claim to be the party of compassion. What a load of crap.

Who are you calling a democrat?

And since when is compassion a bad human trait? Are republicans not supposed to have any?

I suppose, you as well, would just roll the old fuckers down the hill on their wheelchairs when the nursing homes kick them out because Medicaid was drastically cut?

Listen. The answer lies somewhere between these extremes. Congress need to stop with the ridiculous "score keeping" and one upmanship, and work for the people, not their careers.

And I will add once again.....the money we are wasting on wars we don't belong in, would go a long way if spent on healthcare.

[Guns4Liberty]

Cut the personal attacks and hyperbole already - it's tiresome.

It's neither compassionate nor charitable to rob Peter under threat of force to give to Paul. That's the ACA in a nutshell. It. Must. Go.

[Jonathan Brown]

There are no personal attacks. I find fault with your bullshit opinions. The words put on a page. You are probably a nice guys. But I'd bet you haven't had any relatives that needed Medicaid. It's easy to sit back and complain about Medicaid when you haven't seen its value in person. I agree that making healthy younger people pay for everything isn't the best system. This is the part they need to fix the most. Disgustingly high deductables are criminal. But on the other hand, everybody gets old. Not everybody can afford $9000 a month for a nursing home.

I repeat....when did the republican party become the party without compassion?

You cannot just dump Obamacare. It needs to be fixed while it's still in place. They need to get to work on REAL changes. Not what they have proposed so far.

[Alpine]

True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away.

Under the ACA, cash strapped docs who accept medicaid don't have the resources to do condition and liability-free pro-bono care and docs who don't take medicaid are practically forbidden for liabilittle reasons because the government doesn't like docs shaming them with better free care than their lowballing medicaid setups.

I know orthos who used to do pro bono hip replacements for seniors and now they can't thanks to the ACA's thousands of new regulations.

So in reality the elderly are worse off.

Overall though I'd ask the obvious question, why are you here posting in this discussion if you refuse to discuss it? It seems strange. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.

As for me personally when I was younger for a short time I lived on the street and had no coverage at all, and it was far easier to get pro bono care then than it is now. The funny thing about our welfare administration is all the hoops and jumps you have to go through actually means less care for the people who need it. So your projection about my personal experience turned out to be wrong. Consider that you might just possibly be wrong about these other points that you refuse to engage on also.

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[OhShoot!]

There are no personal attacks. I find fault with your bullshit opinions. The words put on a page. You are probably a nice guys. But I'd bet you haven't had any relatives that needed Medicaid. It's easy to sit back and complain about Medicaid when you haven't seen its value in person. I agree that making healthy younger people pay for everything isn't the best system. This is the part they need to fix the most. Disgustingly high deductables are criminal. But on the other hand, everybody gets old. Not everybody can afford $9000 a month for a nursing home.

I repeat....when did the republican party become the party without compassion?

You cannot just dump Obamacare. It needs to be fixed while it's still in place. They need to get to work on REAL changes. Not what they have proposed so far.

[Jonathan Brown]

True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away.

Under the ACA, cash strapped docs who accept medicaid don't have the resources to do condition and liability-free pro-bono care and docs who don't take medicaid are practically forbidden for liabilittle reasons because the government doesn't like docs shaming them with better free care than their lowballing medicaid setups.

I know orthos who used to do pro bono hip replacements for seniors and now they can't thanks to the ACA's thousands of new regulations.

So in reality the elderly are worse off.

Overall though I'd ask the obvious question, why are you here posting in this discussion if you refuse to discuss it? It seems strange. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.

We ARE having a discussion. Because I point out the faults in your logic and you obvious lack of compassion for the elderly, does not make that a non fact. What IS strange is that you think anyone who disagrees with you is automatically void of any value, so you keep harping on the same ultra right wing gibberish.

[OhShoot!]

True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away.

Under the ACA, cash strapped docs who accept medicaid don't have the resources to do condition and liability-free pro-bono care and docs who don't take medicaid are practically forbidden for liabilittle reasons because the government doesn't like docs shaming them with better free care than their lowballing medicaid setups.

I know orthos who used to do pro bono hip replacements for seniors and now they can't thanks to the ACA's thousands of new regulations.

So in reality the elderly are worse off.

Overall though I'd ask the obvious question, why are you here posting in this discussion if you refuse to discuss it? It seems strange. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.

!6 million people losing their insurance would be a catastrophe. Insurance rates would skyrocket when people who don't want to pay for their own insurance jump ship. The realities of a repeal are obvious.
You make it sound like people are dying in the streets because of the ACA. Simply not true. With the Republicans help it could have been a better bill eight years ago. Repubs just keep shitting the bed on this one.

[Alpine]

Again, medicaid is not insurance. On a functional level it doesn't even affect private insurance the way you are insinuating in terms of making private insurance more solvent.

[Jonathan Brown]

"True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away."

I think that is the single most ignorant thing I've ever read on the internet. At least in the last couple of days.

[Alpine]

True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away.

Under the ACA, cash strapped docs who accept medicaid don't have the resources to do condition and liability-free pro-bono care and docs who don't take medicaid are practically forbidden for liabilittle reasons because the government doesn't like docs shaming them with better free care than their lowballing medicaid setups.

I know orthos who used to do pro bono hip replacements for seniors and now they can't thanks to the ACA's thousands of new regulations.

So in reality the elderly are worse off.

Overall though I'd ask the obvious question, why are you here posting in this discussion if you refuse to discuss it? It seems strange. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.

We ARE having a discussion. Because I point out the faults in your logic and you obvious lack of compassion for the elderly, does not make that a non fact. What IS strange is that you think anyone who disagrees with you is automatically void of any value, so you keep harping on the same ultra right wing gibberish.

You are ignoring 90% of my points and documented evidence/sourced and focusing instead on empty emotional appeals.

Address the numeric facts of the low medicaid reimbursement rate.
Address the numeric facts of low amounts of doctors accepting medicaid.
Address the numeric facts of our declining doctor and medical student population.

[Jonathan Brown]

Again, medicaid is not insurance. On a functional level it doesn't even affect private insurance the way you are insinuating in terms of making private insurance more solvent.

THEY WANTED TO CUT MEDICAID

Get it through your head. That is where they wanted to get some of the money. From MEDICAID

[Jonathan Brown]

True compassion lies in repealing the ACA right away.

Under the ACA, cash strapped docs who accept medicaid don't have the resources to do condition and liability-free pro-bono care and docs who don't take medicaid are practically forbidden for liabilittle reasons because the government doesn't like docs shaming them with better free care than their lowballing medicaid setups.

I know orthos who used to do pro bono hip replacements for seniors and now they can't thanks to the ACA's thousands of new regulations.

So in reality the elderly are worse off.

Overall though I'd ask the obvious question, why are you here posting in this discussion if you refuse to discuss it? It seems strange. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.

We ARE having a discussion. Because I point out the faults in your logic and you obvious lack of compassion for the elderly, does not make that a non fact. What IS strange is that you think anyone who disagrees with you is automatically void of any value, so you keep harping on the same ultra right wing gibberish.

You are ignoring 90% of my points and documented evidence/sourced and focusing instead on empty emotional appeals.

Address the numeric facts of the low medicaid reimbursement rate.
Address the numeric facts of low amounts of doctors accepting medicaid.
Address the numeric facts of our declining doctor and medical student population.

Your facts are a smoke screen to the real issue.
Did they or did they NOT, try to drop millions of people off Medicaid to raise money, all the while offering tax cuts to the rich?
Come on now, you can admit it. It won't hurt. Its a FACT. You can do it.