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Jonathan Brown wrote:

Pablo wrote:Evidence of cover up is?

It will all be revealed. When people are under oath, their lies will have consequences.

Firing Comey was only the beginning of his attempt at a coverup.

None of us has EVIDENCE of anything. EVIDENCE is obtained under oath and through investigation. EVIDENCE doesn't come from Breibart or MSNBC or some jackwagons of internet forums. Words on a webpage are not EVIDENCE either.

The leakers may also be guilty of crimes. But what they leak is not rendered false because of that.

Do us all a favor and tone down the rancor. Jackwagons may not be specifically aimed, but the tone of the conversation is. Let's discuss this.

The Comey firing seemed (to me) to be incredibly poorly handled. We agree. You talked about evidence... I still don't see that.
The argument has been made that the D's screamed for Comey's crucifixion just a few months before.

I see a loose mouth who is used to saying or tweeting whatever he wants without thinking too much about the consequences, and he hasn't had to "pay" too much for it. He is finding out that the political fights can be to the death.

PMB wrote:I see a loose mouth who is used to saying or tweeting whatever he wants without thinking too much about the consequences, and he hasn't had to "pay" too much for it. He is finding out that the political fights can be to the death.

Yup, I agree.

Using some ultra rightwing logic....do you have evidence there ISN'T a cover up? An accusation has been made.

Do you think I, or anyone here has real EVIDENCE? If we did, we'd be in D.C. giving testimony.

This is why we have a special counsel investigation. This is why Trump is scared.

I choose to question. I choose not to give blind obedience and trust to a serial liar. A pervy asshole who treats women like shit. A man of very low character. A man who's own party is slowly abandoning.

I miss Ronald Reagan. An "outsider" who learned politics and played by the rules. He actually knew about the three branches of government and why they are what they are. Thjs clown has no clue. He thinks the FBI director reports directly to him? Seriously. He is incompetent. Everything about him needs to be investigated, including his finances. He hasn't used a cigar on an intern yet though. Now THAT would be serious.

Jonathan Brown wrote:Using some ultra rightwing logic....do you have evidence there ISN'T a cover up? An accusation has been made.

I don't think that this is ultra rightwing logic... Why do you think it is any more leaning right than left?

JB wrote:Do you think I, or anyone here has real EVIDENCE? If we did, we'd be in D.C. giving testimony.
This is why we have a special counsel investigation.

Agreed... But reading your previous posts it doesn't seem as if you are awaiting real evidence from the investigation. I am absolutely looking forward to a non-spun account of everything that happened.

JB wrote: This is why Trump is scared.

You state as fact that Trump is scared... I do not see fear (although you could be right.) I see the same personality that was first presented when he entered the race for POTUS.

JB wrote:I choose to question. I choose not to give blind obedience and trust

We are allies in this, up to the point where I split your quote... I will go one step further. I do not give blind trust, obedience to ANYTHING or ANYONE. Not my dearest and closest relative, not even the most trustworthy character in my life- dogs.
Does anyone? Aren't we as thinking humans supposed to evaluate information when presented?

JB wrote:to a serial liar. A pervy asshole

I think I see where you are going here... But I think you are describing most politicians here.

JB wrote:who treats women like shit. A man of very low character. A man who's own party is slowly abandoning.

The party didn't elect Trump. The citizens of this USA who were stuck between choosing a loose cannon and a known criminal did. (I simplify, I know.)
Let's be honest... The country voted against Clinton, not for Trump. We collectively rolled the dice, and some of us are still hoping that the numbers come up right.

What part of my presentation is factually incorrect? I haven't gone back and checked it... I am skeptical of any position that is decided, even my own. (By skeptical, I mean open to reviewing the facts.)

Liars cannot be trusted. His lies have been documented. He's a shady character. What won't he lie about? Why should we trust anything he says? He was elected because both parties trotted out hideous candidates, and the GOP one was less hideous. The GOP needs to get their shit together, and bring forward a REAL conservative for 2020. Not this fake Republican.

Jonathan Brown wrote:Liars cannot be trusted. His lies have been documented. He's a shady character. What won't he lie about? Why should we trust anything he says? He was elected because both parties trotted out hideous candidates, and the GOP one was less hideous. The GOP needs to get their shit together, and bring forward a REAL conservative for 2020. Not this fake Republican.

So the thread's subject is about Democrat scandals. I am not partisan enough to prefer one party's scandals over another's... I hate BS in politics from both sides.

I can't tell for certain how you feel about President Trump. Open up, you're amongst friends here.

Many of us were not pumped about our choices last November. I remain ecstatic that the Crime Family was denied.

What do you hope will happen from here on out?
Is what you hope will happen the same as what you expect to happen?

Jonathan Brown wrote:Liars cannot be trusted. His lies have been documented. He's a shady character. What won't he lie about? Why should we trust anything he says? He was elected because both parties trotted out hideous candidates, and the GOP one was less hideous. The GOP needs to get their shit together, and bring forward a REAL conservative for 2020. Not this fake Republican.

Okay, so far, you been on a one track Schopenhauer rant, and this latest statement is more of the same.

Sorry, but all politicians lie. So fucking what - you called a spade a spade. Obama lied. Bush lied. Reagan lied. Cankles lied. They all lie.

Like lawyers, and the IRS - all based on lies and deception.

And, Trump is not a Republican, or a Democrat - which is why a lot of people thought we had a real shot at real " Hope and Change " - remember that lie ?

Both political parties need to die. We need representation By the People, For the People, Of the People.

PMB wrote:

Jonathan Brown wrote:Liars cannot be trusted. His lies have been documented. He's a shady character. What won't he lie about? Why should we trust anything he says? He was elected because both parties trotted out hideous candidates, and the GOP one was less hideous. The GOP needs to get their shit together, and bring forward a REAL conservative for 2020. Not this fake Republican.

What do you hope will happen from here on out?
Is what you hope will happen the same as what you expect to happen?

I hope this clown is removed from office before he gets us into something we cannot recover from, such as doing something stupid abroad. Getting us into another war we have no business being in. I would hope that president Pence would be a better leader. Or if Pence is part of the coverup, then president Ryan.

Still Schopenhauer-ing the discussion of the Democratic Party scandals and cover ups.

Please say something related to the topic at hand, or in intelligent response to some of the questions put to you by myself and others.

Your one track focus on an unrelated topic - is disappointing.

Approval ratings don't mean squat to me. They are a data point, but even if 99.9% of the world agree on an opinion, that 0.1% is not wrong. It is still an opinion.

Facts are not decided on popularity. The prevailing opinion of the citizens of the USA are a data point, not a persuasive point.
I completely agree with JB that President Trump has flaws, and as much as I hope there is a giant secret plan to trick Controllists into failing and thereby returning the nation to the ideals of individual liberty as espoused by the Founding Fathers (who had bitter internal disagreements also) , sadly, I believe that we're witnessing the lesser of two evils flounder.
And I still light the incense to celebrate the roll of the dice that happened last November.

WA Post, ABC News poll.
If the election were held today, Trump would beat Hillary 43% to 40%
Even with Trumps low approval rating.
A sock puppet could have beaten Trump, but the Dems chose to run the most corrupt and despised woman in the country.
(It would have to be a 35 YO sock made in the USA, or at least one made in Kenya with a fake label)

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol- ... story.html
The poll also put Trump's overall approval rating at 42%. That's the lowest recorded at this stage of a presidency since 1945, according to a release accompanying the results.
Of the poll respondents who said they cast a ballot in the 2016 election, 43% said they voted for Trump and 46% for Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton.
But when it came to those who reported voting for Clinton, only 85% said they'd vote the same way if the election were held again today.
Still, the difference in support means that Trump would win over Clinton, 43% to 40%, in a hypothetical rematch among poll respondents who said they voted in the 2016 election, the release notes.

RENCORP wrote:Still Schopenhauer-ing the discussion of the Democratic Party scandals and cover ups.

Please say something related to the topic at hand, or in intelligent response to some of the questions put to you by myself and others.

Your one track focus on an unrelated topic - is disappointing.

You're buying into the line of hooey is more disappointing

Jonathan Brown wrote:

PMB wrote:What do you hope will happen from here on out?
Is what you hope will happen the same as what you expect to happen?

I hope this clown is removed from office before he gets us into something we cannot recover from, such as doing something stupid abroad. Getting us into another war we have no business being in. I would hope that president Pence would be a better leader. Or if Pence is part of the coverup, then president Ryan.

I got the hope part. I also hope that President Trump doesn't get us into another war. I don't EXPECT that he will.
I fervently hope that 2A is further protected... as well as the rest of the BoR.

Now the expectations... I expect that he will continue to act in the very same manner that he has since long before the run up to the election and since. He was, is and will be bombastic, speaks without weighing his words, offends people on both the left and the right...
I expect that investigations will end up as so many other investigations have- conclusions that still leave us all wondering WTH really happened... (Well that's not true. About 45% will still be SURE that he is guilty of high crimes, 45% will be sure he is the victim of the deep state, and 10% will be scratching their heads.)

Back to HOPE. I hope President Trump succeeds. That doesn't mean that I like him in any way as a person. I didn't cast my vote for a personality. I cast my vote against something and with a hope for the BoR.


JB, you said that the USA had a crappy choice in November... Many people who voted against Clinton feel the same way.
What other choice did we have?

The lesser of two evils is not how it's supposed to be. Trump got elected because people were willing to try anything new. Even Bozo the Clown.

Clinton would have been horrible. I had hoped Trump wouldn't prove me right when last summer I thought he would be in way over his head if he won.

I guess we can thank the electoral college that California didn't elect our president. But he has been a big disappointment. Not an honorable man. Talking shit about a Gold Star family. Talking shit about a war hero. Blaming everyone else for things he does. That shit just ain't right.

This thread is a certifiable train wreck. It is going nowhere.

I predicted that Trump would win.

I'm still on cloud nine.
For the following reasons:

We dodged a huge bullet in the Supreme Court. To me this is HUGE. Seems to me, that many have forgotten this. I have high hopes that there will be more.

My paranoia of the Jack-stepping Storm-troopers coming in the middle of the night to take my guns..... has been taken down a serious notch or two.

It's been a few months now. Ever since he has won, my business phone has been ringing off the hook. I now have several months of work lined up, and it's getting worse. My conservative customers are spending money like never before. My wallet is getting thicker. (I had starved under that Obamination. For this, I'm glad that the bitch didn't win.)

About the Tower of Babel, that is Washington DC......... A lot of nothing is being accomplished. Considering what could have happened, if the bitch had won...... I find this acceptable. I just wish that Murray and Cantwell would just go away, as they have NEVER represented me, since they were elected.

I'm riding this pony for as long as I can.

All you Trump-haters will never be satisfied. Do what I did when the Obamination was in office. Ignore them, and carry on as best as you can. Failure to do so, will result in a ulcer. I guarantee it. Let it go.


Merica!!!!!!!!!