Hoa’s can place a lien on your house. I call that teeth.

In this free world, you could just as easily bought a house where you COULD NOT see your neighbor. Then you could have left your can out all week. Shit ya could even leave your xmas lights up all year to if you like!

The same folks that bitch and moan about restrictions, buy a house BY CHOICE with restrictions!

Life has as many complaints as it does choices!

My point is that there is a false sense of control, consistency, whatever, that pro-HOA people think they have. But, in reality, HOAs don't have any ability to even deliver what many pro-HOA people expect.

Other things HOAs have absolutely no control over: neighbors speeding around the community streets with loud exhausts. It used to piss me off, getting notices about my trash can, who f'in cares, when there's some ricer dude racing his "JDM yo" 4 banger up and down the street at night?

Yeah, NO, no more HOA for us. My wife was all about dense neighborhood living, now that we live in a quiet area, we'll never go back to that crap.

I don't understand why you think this. There are thousands of examples of HOA's putting liens on peoples houses. HOA's have serious control; they can take your house away from you.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia ... rview.html

Actually I’m from the Midwest where we leave old cars up on the blocks when they outlive their usefulness until they rust away. Your idea of eyesore and mine are vastly different. But people complain about the dumping and the old cars and what not but they not realize it’s because there is a system in place where the disposing of it in your yard or woods or side of the road is less of a hassle than actually properly disposing of it. People don’t realize that making it easier to get rid of things the right way will curtail a lot of the activity that goes on in rural western Washington. But no, state wants to hammer a fee out of you for doing the right thing, so it'll sit. And I believe HOAs are he worst form of fascism and communism all rolled into one. I will never be part of one again and I would support any politician that would make them illegal to punishable by death by vivisection if someone should try and form one.

That was my point, the owner of a run-down home in an HOA can ignore the lien until he sells the home.

For example, he bought the house for $115K many years ago. Sells it in 2020 for $300K with the lien on it. The lien from that HOA was about $10K if I recall. That is still a good deal for someone who gives 2 fucks about the HOA, he is still "up" $175K upon selling the home. Why should someone care about the lien in that situation? The HOA has limits on how much they can lien, and they have to wait until a transaction occurs.

And they won't lien your house because the neighborhood kids race their 4 bangers up and down the road. What does the HOA do in that situation? Why they put speed bumps in, of course! So now the kids aggressively downshift when approaching a bump, blipping the throttle while going over the bump in neutral, then hammering it in 1st gear when they clear the HOA-installed bump.

So, that's why I "think this".

I am not an expert but I was told recently the laws on liens changed, they are no longer infinite, they run for just 90 days and have to be renewed at the expense of the lien holder.


There were a lot of scams where people would file a false lien for a few dollars, small enough so people wouldn't bother fighting it or looking it up, just pay the $100 and be done with it

As the ex-president of an HOA, we put liens on peoples houses. You can even start foreclosure proceedings if the lien isn't paid. The Liens do expire. 10 years for property and 8 months for mechanic. But, the HOA just updates the Lien amount annually with the new dues/penalties etc, so it's pretty perpetual. Takemorepills is pretty spot on though, unless the BOD want's to do a physical foreclosure, which is pricey and the lenders may quash that quickly, then there is little they can do until the owner sells.