North Korea and Missile capable nukes? New report

[zombie66]

Ignore the fat fucker. Publicly.

Secretly drop Pelosi, Al Franken, all the Clintons, Michael Moore, Diane Feinstein and Al Gore on them. From 50,000-70,000 feet.

And let me pack their Chutes (I think I would have to use 2 Cargo Chutes with Michael Moore)...................

[GeekWithGuns]

Let them strike first. We have the capability to shoot it out of the sky. Starting a nuclear melee would be a big mistake for Kim small dong.

Not exactly. The theater-level THAAD system designed to knock down short range missiles and IRBM (intermediate range) has been used pretty successfully in tests. So there are effective systems against theater based missile threats.

Our capability to knock down ICBM threads using the interceptors at Fort Greeley, AK and Vandenberg AFB, CA has not been anywhere near as successful with a success rate of 55% intercepting a single incoming warhead at a time. And that is pretty optimistic as the following article indicates:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/can-americas-missile-defenses-really-beat-icbms-fired-russia-20973

Incoming missiles are likely to arrive at least several at a time with active decoys in orbit. Relying on missile defense is like playing Russian roulette with four cylinders loaded.

[GeekWithGuns]

Ignore the fat fucker. Publicly.

Secretly drop Pelosi, Al Franken, all the Clintons, Michael Moore, Diane Feinstein and Al Gore on them. From 50,000-70,000 feet.

And let me pack their Chutes (I think I would have to use 2 Cargo Chutes with Michael Moore)...................

You wouldn't want to sabotage their chutes. Give those clowns a couple years in power and The Fat One's country will be fucked up beyond all belief

[zombie66]

Ignore the fat fucker. Publicly.

Secretly drop Pelosi, Al Franken, all the Clintons, Michael Moore, Diane Feinstein and Al Gore on them. From 50,000-70,000 feet.

And let me pack their Chutes (I think I would have to use 2 Cargo Chutes with Michael Moore)...................

You wouldn't want to sabotage their chutes. Give those clowns a couple years in power and The Fat One's country will be fucked up beyond all belief

Good point.............

[MadPick]

We cannot keep waiting for them to hit us. I hope Trump actually fixes this problem unlike the last several useless admins.

Agreed..."an ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure"

Yeah, this is where I am too.

Here's what we know for sure:

1) They absolutely hate us, and threaten us with destruction.
2) They are actively developing missiles that can reach us, and nuclear warheads that can ride on this missiles.
3) Their leadership is absolutely fucking bonkers, and shows no sign of any rational thinking.

Therefore, I think it's a very reasonable assumption that they WILL attack us when they have the capability.

The only reasonable approach is to conduct a sudden, massive strike on their military facilities. Hopefully we can keep the whole thing non-nuclear, get it done quickly and help the North Korean citizens get on with life.

[TechnoWeenie]

NK threatened to attack Guam...


Wwwooooowwwww.....

That's like the a kid with asthma, in a wheelchair with a broken leg, saying he's gonna fuck up the star quarterback...

You wanna laugh.... But then you start to think... 'He ain't dumb enough to do something that stupid, is he?'..... And if he is, WTF is he gonna do to 'win'?

[GeekWithGuns]

NK threatened to attack Guam...


Wwwooooowwwww.....

That's like the a kid with asthma, in a wheelchair with a broken leg, saying he's gonna fuck up the star quarterback...

You wanna laugh.... But then you start to think... 'He ain't dumb enough to do something that stupid, is he?'..... And if he is, WTF is he gonna do to 'win'?

Yeah I'd echo what MadPick said about The Fat One being totally irrational. A thinking person would realize that there are at least two SSBN boats on patrol in the Western Pacific at any one time. Each Ohio class boat has 24 missile tubes. Each Trident II D5 missile sports 4 or 5 independently targetable re-entry vehicles for an approximate total of 120 independent warheads per boat.

Recent developments in missile technology, deployed in the Pacific since 2009, have substantially improved the ability of the SSBN fleet to destroy hardened targets like ICBM silos or buried underground command centers using a recently developed adjustable burst height compensating super-fuze. Basically detects discrepancies on the terminal ballistics of the warhead and makes adjustments for intentional overshoot or undershoot to keep the warhead on target for optimum lethality to buried targets:
http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578

The short of it is The Fat One is an irrational idiot playing with fire. As MadPick said, hopefully we can keep the whole thing non-nuclear decapitating the regime quickly with overwhelming force and destroy the nuclear capability in the process.

Once they nuke a city, everyone will call for blood using whatever means are at hand to inflict maximum damage. Let's not wait that long to see how that would play out.

[PMB]

I've got some normal thoughts and some weird thoughts on this one.
First the normal. I don't think he is as irrational as he puffs up to be. He's a bully punk dictator, but he sure knows the result of an actual shooting way. (Or does he? Maybe he is counting on a repeat of Vietnam with China's proximity.)
We canNOT count on even 50% success on the ICBM shooting range. If I were to hazard a SWAG number, I'd guess about a 10% to 25% success. No bueno, even when the targets are LA and Seattle.

Now the odd thought... Who the hell are we to tell a bully punk dictator whether he can have nukes or not? Do I want him to have them? 'Course not. I'd nuke him.
But we operate under the guise of "the Good Guys" and claim the right to police against governments that we don't like. What is with this nuclear club? Sometimes it feels far more like a bully's club.
I don't quite get it... The only nation to have intentionally dropped nuclear weapons (on civilians no less) and we're the Good Guys?
Might makes right.

[L_O_G]

The thing about North Korea is that they are so isolated and brainwashed that they truly think we are an enemy. I watched a documentary several years ago about a guy who escaped and the stories he told were absolutely bat shit crazy on how they are bred to hate us. Almost like the little ISIS fuckstains.

[Alpine]

but he sure knows the result of an actual shooting way. (Or does he?

He doesn't. There's a good chance with his sheltered lifestyle and nutjob upbringing under the "living God" that Kim Jong Il pretended to be, he actually thinks he can hit us and survive.
http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/OldNewsPage/?Id=5195

Now the odd thought... Who the hell are we to tell a bully punk dictator whether he can have nukes or not? Do I want him to have them? 'Course not. I'd nuke him.
But we operate under the guise of "the Good Guys" and claim the right to police against governments that we don't like. What is with this nuclear club? Sometimes it feels far more like a bully's club.

Who are we? People scared of losing 5-10 million from a nutjob.
It's less about World Police and more about nukes are dangerous and even if nutty regimes won't use them, they could easily lose control of them. That is the extreme danger in letting Pakistan keep them. If Iran gets them, given how fractious their government is there is a 75% chance a terrorist proxy of theirs (like hezbollah) will get a hold of one or more.

I don't quite get it... The only nation to have intentionally dropped nuclear weapons (on civilians no less) and we're the Good Guys?
Might makes right.

We had to do that because it was the first time they were offensively used (and Japan refused to surrender prior to it) and it forestalled a ground invasion against a fanatical warrior population that would have cost us millions of lives and fought to the death over every square inch of soil.

[sportsdad60]

Iran is quietly celebrating that the heat is off of them while they stockpile much more sophisticated devices that NK doesn't have yet.

[MadPick]

Now the odd thought... Who the hell are we to tell a bully punk dictator whether he can have nukes or not?

This idea bothers me, too . . . not just with NK but with other countries too. But in this case, he has made very direct threats to the United States and made his intentions known to all, so I think that justifies action on our part.

[Selador]

Iran is quietly celebrating that the heat is off of them while they stockpile much more sophisticated devices that NK doesn't have yet.

Nothing to see here.

Look! That fat guy flicked a booger at you!

Aloha snackbar!

[Wetpaperbag]

And the anti-asian movement from the mid 40's will begin again in the US.

Too bad there isn't ever an accidental missile detonation in his direction at one of his test viewings. I think everyone, including the North Koreans will be happy if that were to happen.

[L_O_G]

And the anti-asian movement from the mid 40's will begin again in the US.

I disagree 100%.