Protester bowling in Va (dozen+ hurt, 1 killed)

[mancat]

Heritage to some, tyranny to others. Depends which side of the gene pool you came from down there. Racially divisive statues should be reconsidered democratically through voting. This was the case in Charlottesville. These reminders of history still bring unrest 150 years later. Why? Because they are absolutely divisive objects to a large portion of Americans. Seems that we tend to forget that we are all still Americans, whether you identify with the 'right', or the 'left'. Divided we fall kids.

Best...post...in..this...thread!

50 people tearing down a statue doesn't represent the 1 million people in Durham!
Don't like it? Put it on a ballOt. Vote.

LOL. Fixed ballet to ballOT!

then comes the question if tearing a statue down because of history....why not museums??

you mean like this

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19741/leftist-activists-demand-new-york-museum-take-down-michael-qazvini

[jukk0u]

So, in tearing down everything associated with the Civil War's 'losing' side (everybody lost, including we'uns today) very important details will be distorted or forgotten.

The protest centered around the removal of a Rob't E. Lee monument. An interesting article appears today focusing on that man which may just show the struggle in a light different from that which was forced down your throat in kindy-garten.

http://conservativetribune.com/truth-ab ... 2017-08-16

"Yet, few involved in the debate actually know Lee’s complicated history.

Offered a position as the commander of the Union forces, Rasley points out, “Lee refused the command on the grounds that he was a Virginian and owed his first allegiance to the state he believed was a sovereign entity with the right to stay in or leave the Union as it saw fit. He would, he said, not make war on the Union, but he would defend the state of his birth.”

However, when Virginia seceded, the general felt his sympathies residing with his home state. “I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty,” he said.

“There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil,” Lee wrote back in 1856, in a letter written in response to a speech given by then-President Franklin Pierce."

[Wetpaperbag]

One thing I think many forget is there is slavery still alive in parts of the world today. Slavery was never just an American thing either. The taking of people for slaves goes way back and spans many civilizations. Yet you don't hear people getting upset about those injustices.

[L_O_G]

So Clinton used Black Prisoners for free Labor while the Governor of Arkansas.. Where is the out cry?

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton ... sas-622209

A 2016 article from Mother Jones notes that when it comes to prison labor, “some state states, including Texas, Arkansas, and Georgia, do not pay inmates at all.” On Twitter, Jing wrote that “Hillary Clinton was a direct participant in what @samswey correctly described as modern slavery.”

[PMB]

So Clinton used Black Prisoners for free Labor while the Governor of Arkansas.. Where is the out cry?
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton ... sas-622209

A 2016 article from Mother Jones notes that when it comes to prison labor, “some state states, including Texas, Arkansas, and Georgia, do not pay inmates at all.” On Twitter, Jing wrote that “Hillary Clinton was a direct participant in what @samswey correctly described as modern slavery.”

This is a solid point... and if it was to be used against a candidate/politician who is unpopular with MSM, antifa, other orgs like them- it would be trumpeted loud and long I bet.
The simple ratio of populations-to-imprisoned has been shown repeatedly to indicate unfair court systems... So why isn't there an outcry about this modern slavery?

[Duke EB]

Japan is a separate country. What Japan does has no bearing on what we do and are as Americans.

Got it.

I don't get it... How is Japan less relevant than daesh?
A: It is not. We are talking about "special interest" groups destroying (or preserving) historical monuments. Mis's point made perfect sense to me.

Where did daesh come into this picture? And you are calling them a "special interest group"? That is some serious bullshit right there.
Japan did not have a civil war. Japan was on one side of ww2, not both. The situation is NOT the same.
I do not support just pulling down statues. I do support removing statues legally.

Root I don't know you, DukeEB I do know you. Mislabeled had a fair point and you both disqualified it on the basis of it being in another country. Because the US is a microcosm non-existent in the rest of the world? Yeah ok. Fuck you both. History is history regardless of the nation. Some people like it, some don't. Cope.

You're right, I did. If you are looking to japan and/or the rest of the world for an example that we as americans should emulate, here's what I say. Fuck Japan, fuck the world, and fuck you. Cope. (I still love you though )

[Alpine]

I am waiting for the leftists to start demanding we erase the two biggest racist Presidents from the 20th century from street names, school names, hospital names, lake/mountain names, etc.

Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Both extreme progressive liberal democrats and both arguably the most racist Presidents we've had in the modern era.

Let me know when they're willing to scrub those two from everything.

[PMB]

Where did daesh come into this picture?

Go back and read the thread again.

And you are calling them a "special interest group"? That is some serious bullshit right there.

Tongue in cheek sir.

Japan did not have a civil war.

Japan was almost the definition of civil war for centuries. Not sure what your point is.

Japan was on one side of ww2, not both. The situation is NOT the same.

No two individual situations are the same. That is part of the definition of "event", a separation in time and place.
We use separate events in comparison all day every day in life. Mislabeled's comment regarding Japan made perfect sense to me and it was completely relevant.

I still love you Duke.

[PMB]

I am waiting for the leftists to start demanding we erase the two biggest racist Presidents from the 20th century from street names, school names, hospital names, lake/mountain names, etc.

Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Both extreme progressive liberal democrats and both arguably the most racist Presidents we've had in the modern era.

Let me know when they're willing to scrub those two from everything.

I'll have to read up more on Woodrow Wilson... There were several things about him that I did not like, but racism didn't register in my reading. The standard history books that I read probably glossed over 90% of the unsavory tidbits... I think that is a common practice.
What do they call it... "History is written by the winners" or something like that.

[Duke EB]

Where did daesh come into this picture?

Go back and read the thread again.

And you are calling them a "special interest group"? That is some serious bullshit right there.

Tongue in cheek sir.

Japan did not have a civil war.

Japan was almost the definition of civil war for centuries. Not sure what your point is.

Japan was on one side of ww2, not both. The situation is NOT the same.

No two individual situations are the same. That is part of the definition of "event", a separation in time and place.
We use separate events in comparison all day every day in life. Mislabeled's comment regarding Japan made perfect sense to me and it was completely relevant.

I still love you Duke.

Daesh was not a part of Mislabeled's comment. The point was that this monument was not about a civil war and a divided country.
I completely disagree on the relevancy of the japan comment, and I will not take them as an example to emulate (or any other country for that matter)

[Alpine]

I am waiting for the leftists to start demanding we erase the two biggest racist Presidents from the 20th century from street names, school names, hospital names, lake/mountain names, etc.

Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Both extreme progressive liberal democrats and both arguably the most racist Presidents we've had in the modern era.

Let me know when they're willing to scrub those two from everything.

I'll have to read up more on Woodrow Wilson... There were several things about him that I did not like, but racism didn't register in my reading. The standard history books that I read probably glossed over 90% of the unsavory tidbits... I think that is a common practice.
What do they call it... "History is written by the winners" or something like that.

He re-segregated the civil service, he screened "Birth of a Nation" at the WhiteHouse, he opposed racial equality at the League of Nations, among other things. He identified with the Klan.

[PMB]

Where did daesh come into this picture?

Go back and read the thread again.

Daesh was not a part of Mislabeled's comment. The point was that this monument was not about a civil war and a divided country.

Did you go back and read the thread? See any mention of ISIS? They were mentioned and it was a relevant comment. Mobs tearing down historical statues and monuments.

I completely disagree on the relevancy of the japan comment, and I will not take them as an example to emulate (or any other country for that matter)

I don't think that mis or anyone else was even remotely suggesting that we emulate a foreign entity.
The comparison was drawn to show the ridiculousness of tearing down historical statues or memorials just because a group of people have strong feelings about it in later decades.
This looks like a case of people who agree on the gist of a subject arguing about the meaning or importance of more trivial points.
Mislabeled's comment not only was completely relevant but actually helped clarify the discussion (at least for me and a few others.) She needed no correction at all, instead I give her my thanks for the solid comment.

[Duke EB]

Where did daesh come into this picture?

Go back and read the thread again.

Daesh was not a part of Mislabeled's comment. The point was that this monument was not about a civil war and a divided country.

Did you go back and read the thread? See any mention of ISIS? They were mentioned and it was a relevant comment. Mobs tearing down historical statues and monuments.

Not by Mislabeled, and that was what I was referring to specifically. Fuck isis too.

I completely disagree on the relevancy of the japan comment, and I will not take them as an example to emulate (or any other country for that matter)

I don't think that mis or anyone else was even remotely suggesting that we emulate a foreign entity.
The comparison was drawn to show the ridiculousness of tearing down historical statues or memorials just because a group of people have strong feelings about it in later decades.
Japan was not shown to have strong feelings against their monuments. Irrelevant
This looks like a case of people who agree on the gist of a subject arguing about the meaning or importance of more trivial points.
Mislabeled's comment not only was completely relevant but actually helped clarify the discussion (at least for me and a few others.) She needed no correction at all, instead I give her my thanks for the solid comment.

I completely disagree

[Soldier_Citizen]

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[Sinus211]

Japan is a separate country. What Japan does has no bearing on what we do and are as Americans.

Got it.

I don't get it... How is Japan less relevant than daesh?
A: It is not. We are talking about "special interest" groups destroying (or preserving) historical monuments. Mis's point made perfect sense to me.

Where did daesh come into this picture? And you are calling them a "special interest group"? That is some serious bullshit right there.
Japan did not have a civil war. Japan was on one side of ww2, not both. The situation is NOT the same.
I do not support just pulling down statues. I do support removing statues legally.

Root I don't know you, DukeEB I do know you. Mislabeled had a fair point and you both disqualified it on the basis of it being in another country. Because the US is a microcosm non-existent in the rest of the world? Yeah ok. Fuck you both. History is history regardless of the nation. Some people like it, some don't. Cope.

You're right, I did. If you are looking to japan and/or the rest of the world for an example that we as americans should emulate, here's what I say. Fuck Japan, fuck the world, and fuck you. Cope. (I still love you though )