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A paid vacation and a pat on the back with incident report in his file.
I am completely dumbfounded, utterly amazed and ashamed at the same time.
I would have bet good money this medal holder would be fired and fined, not given a paid vacation and a slap on the wrist, but I forgot about the part that it happened in one of the 3 counties that are in total control of Washington.

This is why shit is wrong and fucked up for common folk, and why this side of the state is morally sliding into the sound.


Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:46 am
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I hope the guy on the bike brings cival charges against the boy with a badge.


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Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it. How many lives did this cop potentially save from a speeding motorcycle?

Sure that's good for society.

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Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??

I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?

Bikes aren't play toys and they can kill and do a lot of damage to cars. I've come very close to serious accidents by reckless drivers and I want them ALL off the roads... they're far more threatening than your imaginary reckless cop trying to enforce the law.

Edited - I posted some pics, then removed them - you can google "car and motorcycle accidents" to see the absolute carnage a motorbike will do.

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leadcounsel wrote:
Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it.

Sure that's good for society.

:thumbsup2:

Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??

I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?


you are correct, the biker should lose his bike and his license, but that doesn't excuse the what the LEO did.

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leadcounsel wrote:
Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it.

Sure that's good for society.

:thumbsup2:

Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??

I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?


you are correct, the biker should lose his bike and his license, but that doesn't excuse the what the LEO did.

Agreed.

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TINCANBANDIT wrote:
leadcounsel wrote:
Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it.

Sure that's good for society.

:thumbsup2:

Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??

I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?


you are correct, the biker should lose his bike and his license, but that doesn't excuse the what the LEO did.

Exactly!
One can defend, but it shouldn't be a blanket idea, or action.
Leadcounsel, if some guy rushes up to you with a weapon pointed at you with veins apumping and NOT immediately stating he was a LEO, what would you do? I know for a fact that I would fight, would be hard not to.
Better question yet, how would you defend the bike rider on the receiving end of a bullet if he had fought thinking the leo was a nut case trying to kill him?
Another one of those deals where two wrongs don't make a right.
The officer got the bare minimum of an extremely dangerous position he put himself and the rider in.
I'm definitely pro LEO, dad is retired SPD and AF pilot, I'm more than pro and have seen and heard quite a bit, this incident was a complete fuck up on medal holders part and he got nothing more than a long paid vacation and hand slap while being told to be more careful next time.


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If the cop was so sure he was driving recklessly why no ticket? Seems he did absolutely nothing to stop the motorcyclist from continuing his antics. This will more then likely land up costing taxpayers money and the cop got a vacation. I am not anti cop but also realize there are good and bad

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leadcounsel wrote:
Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it. How many lives did this cop potentially save from a speeding motorcycle?

Sure that's good for society.

:thumbsup2:

Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??

I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?

Bikes aren't play toys and they can kill and do a lot of damage to cars. I've come very close to serious accidents by reckless drivers and I want them ALL off the roads... they're far more threatening than your imaginary reckless cop trying to enforce the law.

Edited - I posted some pics, then removed them - you can google "car and motorcycle accidents" to see the absolute carnage a motorbike will do.


I mean, IF this guy was being so damn reckless. Then the cop should be DOUBLY in trouble for NOT arresting him if he was obviously such a menace and putting people in jeopardy.

You can't have it both ways. If he was dangerous enough to come at with guns drawn, then why the fuck was he not arrested?

P.S. This is not excusing him if he did or did not. It just sets the tone of the moment in that obviously the guy was not being THAT reckless at that time.

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leadcounsel wrote:
Yeah, lets punish cops and hammer them because they actually try to stop crimes from happening and micromanage how they go about it. How many lives did this cop potentially save from a speeding motorcycle?

Sure that's good for society.

:thumbsup2:


If it was that big of a deal then why wasn't the motorcyclist cited or arrested?

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Ya'll do realize that the motorcyclist was pointing a deadly weapon (his motorbike going 100MPH+) at countless innocent people while driving 2-3x the speed limit, right??


At the time of the incident that was recorded, the motorcycle was stopped. This motorcyclist was not pointing a deadly weapon when the officer approached, unless you consider a stationary motorcycle to be a deadly weapon.

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I see a lot of cop bashing here and ZERO folks holding the instigator accountable. Seems like a real double standard. Or are we just gonna ignore the deadly weapons folks use daily driving twice the speed limit?


You and I must be reading different threads. I see plenty of people saying that the motorcyclist (if he was driving 100 mph) was extremely reckless and deserves to be cited or arrested. Most people here seem to feel that the police officer should have had the professionalism and training to approach the situation appropriately which he clearly did not do.

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Bikes aren't play toys and they can kill and do a lot of damage to cars. I've come very close to serious accidents by reckless drivers and I want them ALL off the roads... they're far more threatening than your imaginary reckless cop trying to enforce the law.


This detective was out of uniform, failed to identify himself as a LEO, and approached with a gun pointed at a civilian. This is an extremely reckless and dangerous situation. As many others have said, this situation would be much different if the motorcyclist had attempted to protect himself. That would have likely ended in a dead motorcyclist and it absolutely would have been the fault of the detective.


At the end of the day, I expect our LEOs to be trained and professional. Properly handling firearms and responding with appropriate levels of force is part of their job. This officer clearly lacks the judgment and/or training necessary to do this job responsibly. Should we blame the motorcyclist? Absolutely, he should have been cited or arrested (if he actually was driving recklessly). However, that doesn't excuse the actions of the detective.

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Other than actually citing or arresting the biker (which I think was the proper action), I have yet to hear how the detective should have handled this instead??

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Other than actually citing or arresting the biker (which I think was the proper action), I have yet to hear how the detective should have handled this instead??


Turn on siren, begin traffic stop.

I mean, we couldn't be more clear here.

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You know what? I can be more clear.

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So you can see here, that we are pulled over on a shoulder of the road. The officers bang stick is still holstered, and the lights and siren were used to complete a traffic stop.

Not a gun!

Is that clear enough?

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Douche on bike didn't get in trouble.

Douche with gun/badge didnt get in trouble.

Sounds like a draw.



Out of the two, I doubt the officer will behave like that again.

I am dead certian that the biker will change nothing and continue to ride like a douche.


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Douche on bike didn't get in trouble.

Douche with gun/badge didnt get in trouble.

Sounds like a draw.



Out of the two, I doubt the officer will behave like that again.

I am dead certian that the biker will change nothing and continue to ride like a douche.


Douche on bike threatens countless innocent people recklessing using the road as his speed strip.
Douche detective stops and warns him. Does get into some trouble and that won't be good for his wallet or career.
Douche on bike probably gets a large settlement for more douche toys to race around on the roads with.

Yes, the world is upside down cray cray.

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You know what? I can be more clear.

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So you can see here, that we are pulled over on a shoulder of the road. The officers bang stick is still holstered, and the lights and siren were used to complete a traffic stop.

Not a gun!

Is that clear enough?


Can you make any arguments as to perhaps why the detective didn't do that?

Just brainstorming, perhaps the detective's car isn't equipt with sirens, perhaps the biker had ignored his flashing lights for two blocks, perhaps the detective WANTED to surprise and scare the XXXX out of the biker to demonstrate his lack of situational awareness.

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Complainers or submit-your-application-since-you-can-do-it-better types.

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