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Sherrif offers 50 seat training, 250 teachers sign up 1 day
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Guntrader
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golddigger14s wrote: I wish teachers can be trained, and allowed to carry. However we'll use the pot analogy, and state that carrying on school grounds is a federal no-no. "[18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A)] does not apply to the possession of a firearm— by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:24 pm |
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Benja455
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Arisaka wrote: Benja455 wrote: Arisaka wrote: With the vast majority of teachers way to the left of liberal, I am surprised,he could find 250 takers. Must be football coaches and the like. That's a stereotype. Many teachers are fairly centrist and hold strong conservative values about hard work and dedication. According to WaPo, over three quarters of teachers are liberal. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 5320d460a2That's single study which utilizes political party contributions as their sole data source: Quote: To create the graphic, the company aggregated data from the Federal Election Commission on contributions to political parties, and used that information as a proxy for political views. Political donations do not equal political views. As an example, many Obama voters flipped and voted for Trump in 2016. As Obama voters - they were likely Obama contributors in 2008 and 2012 (and the "study" you cited is from 2015, when a donation to Obama would have been their most recent federal contribution). I suspect it's much closer to 60/40 or 55/45. Further - I think you'd see a big difference in the voting behavior of elementary school teachers vs middle & high school teachers.
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:46 pm |
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Arisaka
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Benja455 wrote: Arisaka wrote: Benja455 wrote: Arisaka wrote: With the vast majority of teachers way to the left of liberal, I am surprised,he could find 250 takers. Must be football coaches and the like. That's a stereotype. Many teachers are fairly centrist and hold strong conservative values about hard work and dedication. According to WaPo, over three quarters of teachers are liberal. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 5320d460a2That's single study which utilizes political party contributions as their sole data source: Quote: To create the graphic, the company aggregated data from the Federal Election Commission on contributions to political parties, and used that information as a proxy for political views. Political donations do not equal political views. As an example, many Obama voters flipped and voted for Trump in 2016. As Obama voters - they were likely Obama contributors in 2008 and 2012 (and the "study" you cited is from 2015, when a donation to Obama would have been their most recent federal contribution). I suspect it's much closer to 60/40 or 55/45. Further - I think you'd see a big difference in the voting behavior of elementary school teachers vs middle & high school teachers. Fair enough. Now it's your turn to present data that supports your estimates sir
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:45 pm |
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Benja455
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https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017 ... 1485268474It's behind a registration wall - but I've had an account for a while, so I can get you the meat of it, so you don't have to register: Quote: The Education Week Research Center surveyed a nationally representative sample of teachers, school-based leaders, and district leaders about their politics and views on a wide range of K-12 issues. The 38-question survey was administered in September and October to 1,122 educators including 555 teachers, 266 school leaders, 202 district leaders, and 99 other school or district employees. The margin of error for the survey overall was plus or minus 5 percent. Followup interviews involved survey respondents who agreed to be contacted after the survey and were willing to be quoted on a range of subjects. As I predicted - educators trend fairly moderate and the overall distribution is pretty even. I was surprised by the number of teachers who did not vote or voted 3rd party...but that might represent a lot of the higher educated teachers (EdD or PhD) who couldn't stand Hillary or Donald regardless of their "party" affiliation.
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 pm |
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PMB
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Wow Ben... That is way different than I had expected.
It would clear things up for me if I knew their stance on 2A. I don't care too much about the rest, at least until 2A is safe (which won't be in my lifetime, me thinks.)
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Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:06 pm |
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Arisaka
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Location: Tacoma Joined: Sat May 4, 2013 Posts: 6216
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Interesting data, Benja! Thank you for digging this out!
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:02 am |
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STED9R
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I really don't see Democrats being moderate, in this day and age. At least by my perception. I have a hard time associating the word moderate with Democrat.
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:26 am |
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foothills
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STED9R wrote: I really don't see Democrats being moderate, in this day and age. At least by my perception. I have a hard time associating the word moderate with Democrat. Agreed... I know numerous teachers or educators. And to a person they consider themselves as moderates or even conservative leaning. And none of them are even close. It's about how they perceive themselves, to themselves and each other. My next door neighbors are both retired teachers, gun owning and hunting, Montana natives. Both are flaming liberals that consider themselves "moderates". It's the conservative (any) Republicans that are the "extremists" in their view.
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:44 am |
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PMB
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foothills wrote: STED9R wrote: I really don't see Democrats being moderate, in this day and age. At least by my perception. I have a hard time associating the word moderate with Democrat. Agreed... I know numerous teachers or educators. And to a person they consider themselves as moderates or even conservative leaning. And none of them are even close. It's about how they perceive themselves, to themselves and each other. My next door neighbors are both retired teachers, gun owning and hunting, Montana natives. Both are flaming liberals that consider themselves "moderates". It's the conservative (any) Republicans that are the "extremists" in their view. That was my fear about the breakdown... But it still surprised me. It shouldn't have though - this was self-reporting.
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:14 am |
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Alpine
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It's part of the Rules for Radicals playbook.
"Common sense."
"Compromise."
"Moderate."
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:22 am |
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jdhbulseye
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PMB wrote: foothills wrote: STED9R wrote: I really don't see Democrats being moderate, in this day and age. At least by my perception. I have a hard time associating the word moderate with Democrat. Agreed... I know numerous teachers or educators. And to a person they consider themselves as moderates or even conservative leaning. And none of them are even close. It's about how they perceive themselves, to themselves and each other. My next door neighbors are both retired teachers, gun owning and hunting, Montana natives. Both are flaming liberals that consider themselves "moderates". It's the conservative (any) Republicans that are the "extremists" in their view. That was my fear about the breakdown... But it still surprised me. It shouldn't have though - this was self-reporting. Doesn't surprise me. Ive heard plenty of people say in the past that "Obama is a moderate". People are naturally disinclined to see their own viewpoints as "extreme/radical/far____.
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Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:08 am |
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PTmorgan
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PMB wrote: Quote: He stressed that he wants teachers to understand what they can do with a gun if an armed attacker enters the classroom. And while he cannot delegate the authority for teachers to carry on a given campus–that is a school board decision–Jones said he wants the teachers to be ready if their school board so chooses. Fantastic. Hope this catches on. Yeah, that's great! There's a school about 25 minutes away from us out on the Colorado prairie. Their sign warns that they have teachers with conceal carry. I want a school like that close to me! Because I home school my boys, of course they have a teacher who carries.
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