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Seattle residents complain about Confederate flag flying....
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sportsdad60
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mislabeled wrote: Musta been too busy eating Tide Pods and tweeting hashtags to pay attention on the day they taught countries' flags in school. Thank goodness they were outraged, though. Can never have too much outrage.
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Pablo
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sportsdad60 wrote: mislabeled wrote: Musta been too busy eating Tide Pods and tweeting hashtags to pay attention on the day they taught countries' flags in school. Thank goodness they were outraged, though. Can never have too much outrage. X1000000000000000000
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Theres the one at Sumner RV flying strong
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weimar_police
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OMG - well, what can you say....
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Caveman Jim
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So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag?
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mislabeled
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Caveman Jim wrote: So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag? Best quote ever. Thank you.
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Caveman Jim
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mislabeled wrote: Caveman Jim wrote: So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag? Best quote ever. Thank you. I was raised in the South and very proud of my heratige, some think it means something else but they are so uninformed.
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dreadi
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mislabeled wrote: Caveman Jim wrote: So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag? Best quote ever. Thank you. Where I'm from if you're scene flying that flag some people believe that you are a bigot. Often it was very easy to tell without the flag. Also, for many people that flag represents a group of people that supported, fought for, were willing to, and did die for their beliefs. Part of their core beliefs is that oppression, segregation, and slavery is just fine.
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mislabeled
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dreadi wrote: Where I'm from if you're scene flying that flag some people believe that you are a bigot. Often it was very easy to tell without the flag. Also, for many people that flag represents a group of people that supported, fought for, were willing to, and did die for their beliefs. Part of their core beliefs is that oppression, segregation, and slavery is just fine.
Your experience is very different from mine. Where I'm from, most people fly that flag because they prefer more conservative values (primarily: live and let live) than the increasingly liberal BS the WA administration is stuffing down our throats. The majority of them have never been to the South, some haven't even been outside this state. They and their families had nothing to do with the oppression, segregation, or slavery that was part of the US's history. I know that because their families weren't even in this country when the Confederate flag as we know it now was adopted. I'm not discounting the power of any flag's symbolism. However, if someone chooses to believe something about me because of a flag in my yard, that's kind of their problem, isn't it?
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Caveman Jim
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dreadi wrote: mislabeled wrote: Caveman Jim wrote: So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag? Best quote ever. Thank you. Where I'm from if you're scene flying that flag some people believe that you are a bigot. Often it was very easy to tell without the flag. Also, for many people that flag represents a group of people that supported, fought for, were willing to, and did die for their beliefs. Part of their core beliefs is that oppression, segregation, and slavery is just fine. I could care less what they think, just like the stars & stripes, let anyone try and burn it. No offense, people fail to see things the same as others in different geographic s who have lived it.
_________________"You are either with us...as Americans. Or, You are against us. There is no IN BETWEEN." ??? "We cannot negotiate with those who say, 'What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable.'" JFK "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Ben Franklin MadPick wrote: I don't think you beat your children enough.
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dreadi
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mislabeled wrote: dreadi wrote: Where I'm from if you're scene flying that flag some people believe that you are a bigot. Often it was very easy to tell without the flag. Also, for many people that flag represents a group of people that supported, fought for, were willing to, and did die for their beliefs. Part of their core beliefs is that oppression, segregation, and slavery is just fine.
Your experience is very different from mine. Where I'm from, most people fly that flag because they prefer more conservative values (primarily: live and let live) than the increasingly liberal BS the WA administration is stuffing down our throats. The majority of them have never been to the South, some haven't even been outside this state. They and their families had nothing to do with the oppression, segregation, or slavery that was part of the US's history. I know that because their families weren't even in this country when the Confederate flag as we know it now was adopted. I'm not discounting the power of any flag's symbolism. However, if someone chooses to believe something about me because of a flag in my yard, that's kind of their problem, isn't it? To that I would say, my suggestion is that those people find a different flag to fly instead of flying a flag while being ignorant of or disregarding it's origin. Casting a different idea to what the flag represents doesn't change what it largely represents. It surely does not represent "live and let live". Caveman Jim wrote: dreadi wrote: mislabeled wrote: Caveman Jim wrote: So what is wrong with flying a Confederate flag? Best quote ever. Thank you. Where I'm from if you're scene flying that flag some people believe that you are a bigot. Often it was very easy to tell without the flag. Also, for many people that flag represents a group of people that supported, fought for, were willing to, and did die for their beliefs. Part of their core beliefs is that oppression, segregation, and slavery is just fine. I could care less what they think, just like the stars & stripes, let anyone try and burn it. No offense, people fail to see things the same as others in different geographic s who have lived it. That's fine. What does it mean for you? Have you been able to trace your heritage to the Confederacy? I'm not offended and I agree with you. It's hard for people to understand a symbol or anything else that's culturally relevant when they have not lived with it. What geographic are you referring to? As for me, I lived with it for 30 years in the south.
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RENCORP
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I got no problems with incendiary flag reactions - I get mild irritation though.
If I fly the Canadian flag, everybody thinks I am a maple syrup retailer, or a Red Robins donut shop.
They do get all pissed off when they find out I am neither.
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mislabeled
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dreadi wrote: To that I would say, my suggestion is that those people find a different flag to fly instead of flying a flag while being ignorant of or disregarding it's origin. Casting a different idea to what the flag represents doesn't change what it largely represents. It surely does not represent "live and let live".
The swastika didn't begin life as a Nazi construct, yet that's all it's affiliated with nowadays. Everyone has disregarded its origin. The contemporary symbolism of the Confederate flag may be evolving, too, especially among those who weren't exposed to its earlier incarnations. Hell, this society can't even seem to agree on what the US flag means anymore.
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RocketScott
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They must be really pissed that Lenin has restaurants all over the place... Oh, wait, they're socialists.
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dreadi
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mislabeled wrote: dreadi wrote: To that I would say, my suggestion is that those people find a different flag to fly instead of flying a flag while being ignorant of or disregarding it's origin. Casting a different idea to what the flag represents doesn't change what it largely represents. It surely does not represent "live and let live".
The swastika didn't begin life as a Nazi construct, yet that's all it's affiliated with nowadays. Everyone has disregarded its origin. The contemporary symbolism of the Confederate flag may be evolving, too, especially among those who weren't exposed to its earlier incarnations. Hell, this society can't even seem to agree on what the US flag means anymore. I agree with some of that. I know one restaurant in New Orleans http://www.ernstcafe.net/our-story that has swastica tiles on the floor of restaurant. The difference with that an other uses is that the flag of Nazi Gernamy adapted the symbol to their use. In my opinion, it's not the same. Although today, it's different enough that I believe it would be judged as a trademark infringement if it's design and use was the subject of a law suit. Back to the "confederate flag". Sadly, many people don't know which flag they are flying. It's worth the conversation to ask "Which flag are you flying?"
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