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I 2nd the emotion, that if you aren't a member, how the hell do you expect them to take you serious about leadership or the direction?

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If you think the NRA really cares about what their members think or that they take them serious, you haven't been paying attention. The NRA will back some 2A agendas, but not all. You just better hope they back the ones you want, cause they be changing their methods based upon your membership.

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If you think the NRA really cares about what their members think or that they take them serious, you haven't been paying attention. The NRA will back some 2A agendas, but not all. You just better hope they back the ones you want, cause they be changing their methods based upon your membership.


Been paying attention since buying my Life Membership...in 1976.

There is no perfect solution...but haters gonna hate.

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BlaineAndBullets wrote:
If you think the NRA really cares about what their members think or that they take them serious, you haven't been paying attention. The NRA will back some 2A agendas, but not all. You just better hope they back the ones you want, cause they be changing their methods based upon your membership.


Not a member? Fine I guess. Whine about them? You are free to do so.

But I can ask - how are are you specifically helping the cause if you aren't a member?

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I'm a member of several pro 2A organizations as stated in previous comments, the NRA just isn't one of them anymore.

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I haven't supported the NRA since 1989 but was a young, niave member before that. NRA is like a big mean nanny keeping us from the real toys, on purpose. Wayne LaPierre gets a lavish (I've been told 5 million dollar) salary and has a 4 million dollar golden parachute! NRA wrote the 1934 NFA! They collaborated on the 1968 Act and tricked Ronald Reagan into signing the 1986 Hughes Amendment that banned future machine guns by telling him they would challenge it in court, which they never did. NRA is responsible for the current avalanche of legislation. The Board of Directors has ZERO authority

Tim of Military Arms Channel speaks for me. He has put his channel on the line to be purged by the youtube Stazi for taking a stand. In fact NRA must be marginalized and or destroyed and GOA must take it's place in order for us to restore liberty before it's too late for a peaceful solution

GOA has never compromised and they are growing fast right now. Join us. It's a lousy 15 bucks a year https://gunowners.org/

https://www.youtube.com/user/GunOwnersofAmerica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXfa-t4aeUo



Can you back any of those claims with citations?

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

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I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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Support one, support them all!
This is the time to fight and not to sleep!
Attend town halls, rallies at Olympia, the fight is ON!
We're in dire trouble in Olympia and DC.
For those who don't wish to donate, show up at local rallies, pro or anti and lend your voice.


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BlaineAndBullets wrote:
I'm a member of several pro 2A organizations as stated in previous comments, the NRA just isn't one of them anymore.


I can understand your point of view.

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I haven't supported the NRA since 1989 but was a young, niave member before that. NRA is like a big mean nanny keeping us from the real toys, on purpose. Wayne LaPierre gets a lavish (I've been told 5 million dollar) salary and has a 4 million dollar golden parachute! NRA wrote the 1934 NFA! They collaborated on the 1968 Act and tricked Ronald Reagan into signing the 1986 Hughes Amendment that banned future machine guns by telling him they would challenge it in court, which they never did. NRA is responsible for the current avalanche of legislation. The Board of Directors has ZERO authority

Tim of Military Arms Channel speaks for me. He has put his channel on the line to be purged by the youtube Stazi for taking a stand. In fact NRA must be marginalized and or destroyed and GOA must take it's place in order for us to restore liberty before it's too late for a peaceful solution

GOA has never compromised and they are growing fast right now. Join us. It's a lousy 15 bucks a year https://gunowners.org/

https://www.youtube.com/user/GunOwnersofAmerica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXfa-t4aeUo



Can you back any of those claims with citations?



Here are just a few that I found in less than 5 minutes:

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/nra-supported-nfa34.htm

http://keepandbeararms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3247

https://www.quora.com/Where-did-the-NRA ... -Boogeyman

http://www.vlrc.org/articles/61.html

Wayne's salary:

http://time.com/money/5178193/wayne-lap ... ey-salary/

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Capn Blood wrote:
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/nra-supported-nfa34.htm


Much (actually nearly all, that I can see) of the evidence that would appear to damn the NRA at this link is pre-1977 when the current NRA started to take shape by taking over from the FUDDS.

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Cut to 1977. Gun-group veterans still call the NRA’s annual meeting that year the “Revolt at Cincinnati.” After the organization’s leadership had decided to move its headquarters to Colorado, signaling a retreat from politics, more than a thousand angry rebels showed up at the annual convention. By four in the morning, the dissenters had voted out the organization’s leadership. Activists from the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms pushed their way into power.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856_Page2.html


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http://time.com/money/5178193/wayne-lapierre-net-worth-nra-money-salary/


What salary do you suppose would make his compensation become a non-issue for you? What do you think he should be paid annually? Im working through the other links.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
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cityslicker wrote:
I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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Capn Blood wrote:
https://www.quora.com/Where-did-the-NRA-get-its-reputation-as-a-Boogeyman


Many of the answers at that link seem to refute your premise. What is it you wanted to point out at that link?

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MadPick wrote:
Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

Spoiler: show
SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
Spoiler: show
cityslicker wrote:
I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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Capn Blood wrote:
http://keepandbeararms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3247


This appears to be a nearly exact replication of the info at the JPFO link supplied.

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MadPick wrote:
Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

Spoiler: show
SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
Spoiler: show
cityslicker wrote:
I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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jdhbulseye wrote:
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https://www.quora.com/Where-did-the-NRA-get-its-reputation-as-a-Boogeyman


Many of the answers at that link seem to refute your premise. What is it you wanted to point out at that link?



So, I added that for a little balance. There are far more scathing links I could provide. Note the person writing it is pretty moderate yet still backs up my assertions.. now hear what the NRA and Trump have unleashed on us, from a former ATF technical guy. Today Trump made some seriously tyrannical and delusional statements about not following due process of law, and even attacked a pro gun Congressman for "taking NRA money".. we are in BIG trouble

But upon reading your responses it's clear you have an agenda and you will not hear anything I'm saying, so I won't be further responding to your posts on this thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYMRzLaRU_o

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http://www.vlrc.org/articles/61.html


This one is the most interesting of the ones you posted.

It bitched about the fact that NRA helped implement background checks. Then later bitched that there was NRA support (again pre-1977) for 7 day waiting periods for handguns. All the while never mentioning the change in leadership in 1977 nor the fact that NRA supported NICS as an alternative to a waiting period which would arguably still be on the books today if we didn't have NICS.

Which would you rather? a waiting period? Or a criminal background check? Neither? Are you cool with convicted violent felons being able to buy guns at the gun shop?

Anonymous internet posts notwithstanding, we did have a sunset of the AWB in 1994, and we did get protection of manufacturers from lawsuits.

arguably, DC V. Heller was decided favorably.

The rest of the article mentions compromises made by the NRA, accuses them of maneuvering politically (What lobbying group doesn't) Slams them for not trumpeting this maneuvering by telling all their members (again what lobbying org in their right mind does that?) and takes issue with NRA joining suits involving the 2A to steal glory or ride coat-tails. Maybe thats true. I still think without the NRA from 1977 onward we would be in a worse spot than we are.

As I have said before, have they done shit I disagree with, fuck yes. Have they done shady shit? Likely. Are they the most powerful and effective lobbying group for our rights in this country? Fuck yes.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

Spoiler: show
SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
Spoiler: show
cityslicker wrote:
I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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