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Because it gets bumped 4 pages down and people can't find it?

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Because it gets bumped 4 pages down and people can't find it?


Yeah, first and last post there. I thought people would harangue my ass for starting a new thread for something as common as a machete attack in the jungles of the south.

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If the aforementioned animals wearing human skin are not fit to Keep and Bear Arms, then they have not served their deserved sentence.

It's a bit of the "Which came first?" routine... Under current guidelines they have served their time, but are still a danger to innocent people => (therefore) the current guidelines and system are probably not adequate to reform some animals.

Are the jails and prisons too soft, and function more like breeding grounds for tougher criminals? Bring back the deep dark drippy hole and feed them through a small hole in the stainless steel door.
"Don't want to go back in the deep dark hole? Don't do the crime. Next deep dark hole is only 6 feet deep, but there is no way out."
Otherwise, if they are not incarcerated, they have the Natural Right to defend themselves by all means necessary, as all free people do.

Also, I have thought long and hard about how some crimes can be black and white as far as there being no possibility (or desire) to reform the criminal. There are a few, in my opinion.
Here are a couple off the top of my head -
-Crimes that involve violence against strangers, as in complete strangers. Fuck those people... to death and right away.
-Sex crimes against children below a certain age, TBD by the "age of innocence" which varies by person and case.


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If the aforementioned animals wearing human skin are not fit to Keep and Bear Arms, then they have not served their deserved sentence.

It's a bit of the "Which came first?" routine... Under current guidelines they have served their time, but are still a danger to innocent people => (therefore) the current guidelines and system are probably not adequate to reform some animals.

Are the jails and prisons too soft, and function more like breeding grounds for tougher criminals? Bring back the deep dark drippy hole and feed them through a small hole in the stainless steel door.
"Don't want to go back in the deep dark hole? Don't do the crime. Next deep dark hole is only 6 feet deep, but there is no way out."
Otherwise, if they are not incarcerated, they have the Natural Right to defend themselves by all means necessary, as all free people do.

Also, I have thought long and hard about how some crimes can be black and white as far as there being no possibility (or desire) to reform the criminal. There are a few, in my opinion.
Here are a couple off the top of my head -
-Crimes that involve violence against strangers, as in complete strangers. Fuck those people... to death and right away.
-Sex crimes against children below a certain age, TBD by the "age of innocence" which varies by person and case.



This right here, if they cannot be trusted with guns, then they cannot be trusted outside the walls of a prison.

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Lets say that every one of the criminals illustrated in this thread... Are arrested.

Let's say they do their time...


Do you REALLY think that just because they did their time, they should now be allowed to have guns???



Well first off its doubtful either of the machete wielding a-holes see any time in (God Forbid) Prison.

It'll be blamed on their lack of a dad and rough childhood.

Second....They could give two shits about laws restricting their Gat Ownin Privileges.

They'll do as they please.....

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If the aforementioned animals wearing human skin are not fit to Keep and Bear Arms, then they have not served their deserved sentence.

It's a bit of the "Which came first?" routine... Under current guidelines they have served their time, but are still a danger to innocent people => (therefore) the current guidelines and system are probably not adequate to reform some animals.

Are the jails and prisons too soft, and function more like breeding grounds for tougher criminals? Bring back the deep dark drippy hole and feed them through a small hole in the stainless steel door.
"Don't want to go back in the deep dark hole? Don't do the crime. Next deep dark hole is only 6 feet deep, but there is no way out."
Otherwise, if they are not incarcerated, they have the Natural Right to defend themselves by all means necessary, as all free people do.

Also, I have thought long and hard about how some crimes can be black and white as far as there being no possibility (or desire) to reform the criminal. There are a few, in my opinion.
Here are a couple off the top of my head -
-Crimes that involve violence against strangers, as in complete strangers. Fuck those people... to death and right away.
-Sex crimes against children below a certain age, TBD by the "age of innocence" which varies by person and case.



This right here, if they cannot be trusted with guns, then they cannot be trusted outside the walls of a prison.

Another tidbit to chew on is that none of us are 100% trustworthy. We're human. We trust our fellow citizens because we are equals, not because we're all "safe".
I prefer a dangerous freedom to a peaceful slavery.

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Whether they care or not. In my opinion, they have proven they should never be given the right to own a gun.

You can blur the fact by saying they should be in prison for the rest of their life. The fact remains they brutally attacked two people in cold blood. And in doing so proved they should never ever be given legal access to a gun. Period.

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Whether they care or not. In my opinion, they have proven they should never be given the right to own a gun.

You can blur the fact by saying they should be in prison for the rest of their life. The fact remains they brutally attacked two people in cold blood. And in doing so proved they should never ever be given legal access to a gun or voting rights. Period.

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Tuba Man Killers served no prison sentence....just sayin.

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Selador wrote:
Whether they care or not. In my opinion, they have proven they should never be given the right to own a gun.

You can blur the fact by saying they should be in prison for the rest of their life. The fact remains they brutally attacked two people in cold blood. And in doing so proved they should never ever be given legal access to a gun. Period.


There is nothing blurred.
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...some crimes can be black and white as far as there being no possibility (or desire) to reform the criminal. There are a few, in my opinion.
Here are a couple off the top of my head -
-Crimes that involve violence against strangers, as in complete strangers. Fuck those people... to death and right away.


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Selador wrote:
Whether they care or not. In my opinion, they have proven they should never be given the right to own a gun.

You can blur the fact by saying they should be in prison for the rest of their life. The fact remains they brutally attacked two people in cold blood. And in doing so proved they should never ever be given legal access to a gun. Period.


There is nothing blurred.
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...some crimes can be black and white as far as there being no possibility (or desire) to reform the criminal. There are a few, in my opinion.
Here are a couple off the top of my head -
-Crimes that involve violence against strangers, as in complete strangers. Fuck those people... to death and right away.

It is a blurring.

The debate in the past has been, whether people who have served their time, should be given their gun rights back. It is a legal question. Not a 'natural' one.

I am stating unequivocally that these evil sociopaths should never again be given the legal right to own a gun.

Instead of facing the statement head-on, I am given answers about how they should be in prison for life, should be dead, or they have the same 'natural' rights as the rest of us. A blurring. Not a direct response.

Do you, or do you not think that once they have served whatever sentence the courts may give them, should they be arrested, tried and convicted... They should be given back the right to own a gun?

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Selador wrote:
It is a blurring.

The debate in the past has been, whether people who have served their time, should be given their gun rights back. It is a legal question. Not a 'natural' one.

I am stating unequivocally that these evil sociopaths should never again be given the legal right to own a gun.

Instead of facing the statement head-on, I am given answers about how they should be in prison for life, should be dead, or they have the same 'natural' rights as the rest of us. A blurring. Not a direct response.

Do you, or do you not think that once they have served whatever sentence the courts may give them, should they be arrested, tried and convicted... They should be given back the right to own a gun?

Perhaps it seems blurred to you. Not to me.
I have been unequivocal. If they are not in prison, they should have all rights that any other free man has.

If you disagree, that is your right. No need to ask me again.


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PMB wrote:
Selador wrote:
It is a blurring.

The debate in the past has been, whether people who have served their time, should be given their gun rights back. It is a legal question. Not a 'natural' one.

I am stating unequivocally that these evil sociopaths should never again be given the legal right to own a gun.

Instead of facing the statement head-on, I am given answers about how they should be in prison for life, should be dead, or they have the same 'natural' rights as the rest of us. A blurring. Not a direct response.

Do you, or do you not think that once they have served whatever sentence the courts may give them, should they be arrested, tried and convicted... They should be given back the right to own a gun?

Perhaps it seems blurred to you. Not to me.
I have been unequivocal. If they are not in prison, they should have all rights that any other free man has.

If you disagree, that is your right. No need to ask me again.

That works. :bigsmile:

We will agree to disagree.

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WaGuns Code of Conduct Violation.

Ending a disagreement that could become heated and entertaining is in severe violation of COC #492, with an additional violation for not requiring Mod intervention (though not sure if this applies when arguing WITH a Mod...)

:bigsmile:

But seriously, this is a tough issue to me. I can't think of these guys in particular, because it enrages me and I'm ready to throw them under the jail....

But I have to consider, what if I fucked up just once, or worse, was wrongly accused. Wouldn't I still want to protect my family after I got out? Wouldn't I have a right to?

On the other hand, we eventually take driving privileges away from those who drink & drive & harm others multiple times, or restrict when they can drive.

And if someone has repeated felonious acts of aggression, injury, or worse.....

To me, being able to apply for reinstatement, and having your crimes and the propensity for recidivism be reviewed, seems to make th most sense.

If the Las Vegas shooter had lived, and somehow done his time and got out, I'm not sure his gun rights should have been reinstated.....BUT....if he got out and was able to prove he was somehow set up.....then he should be able to appeal....

okay....squirrelly, incongruous thought process over.... :thumbsup2:


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WaGuns Code of Conduct Violation.

Ending a disagreement that could become heated and entertaining is in severe violation of COC #492, with an additional violation for not requiring Mod intervention (though not sure if this applies when arguing WITH a Mod...)

:bigsmile:


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I’ll keep you in mind for the next CoC rewrite. :bigsmile:

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