https://www.scribd.com/document/376802590/IACPLtr042018



Includes a long list of CLEOs from predictable northeastern states and California, but a few from WA as well.



What I find interesting is that any WA CLEO would be upset about reciprocity - Washington has some of, if not the least restrictive laws on CCP issuance in the country. All you have to do to qualify for a permit, is basically not be a convicted felon. The primary concerns listed in this letter would not affect Washington state at all whatsoever.

Seattle and Olympia I get but the others????

Don't see any county sheriffs on the list.

Sheriffs are elected, Chiefs are appointed and do what they are told by the mayor and city council.

Liberal and/or progressive arguments for or against a thing are not required to stand up to logical scrutiny. In addition they need not be logically consistent with any other argument made or position held on any other subject.



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Surprised Renton isn't on the list.

Always knew that KCSO captain was anti-gun.

Given that WA is shall issue with minimal standards that no state drops below, these WA CLEOs are liars because no state could possibly subvert WA's standards.

I see several CLEOs from NY on there. They don't want people to get permits without providing them hookers and vacations.
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Pullman not a big surprise

THIS, plus - reading that "petition" tells me whoever signed it doesn't know squat about the bill.

Subvert? No. Make a mistake? Yes. Other states and jurisdictions within those states could easily miss someone who should not be carrying. It's happened before, and will happen again.

Liars? No. Just...no. One of those on your list is a personal acquaintance, and to call him a liar is disingenuous at best.

The only permit a person needs to keep and bear arms is the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. ANY LEO who uses the statement "not qualified to carry a gun" (remember the statement was regarding permit holders, not the public at large) is obviously against the Constitution and the people and deserves NO respect from me or anyone else.

It is unacceptable to have public servants advocating the suspension, removal or limitation of an individuals right.


I wonder how you would feel if the subject of the letter were abortion and not guns?????????????????????????????

Plenty of people who should not be carrying and shouldn't even legally have a gun do, in every state in this union. Most dont go out of their way to ask gocernmental permission. Having shall issue CPL laws doesn't do shit to stop that. And allowing reciprocity won't do anything to make it worse, nor would constitutional carry. Criminals are gonna do what criminals do. And it's not like we would be removing the ability to charge and convict people for illegal possession and illegally concealing, those laws would still be there.

I never understood why allowing people who legally own guns to be able to carry them without additional hoops and government permission is such a big deal. I think we all know that the vast majority of people that cause problems with guns are not legal gun owners who want to carry for self defense.

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Did you read it?


WA cannot be overridden. We have among the lowest requirements in the country, and rightfully so for civil rights. For the most part our CPL requirements are basically what is on the 4473 in terms of eligibility.

Yes, that makes these CLEOs liars when they sign their name to a letter claiming that WA's requirements will be undercut by someone else. Trying to spin this as about verification doesn't fly when that quote I posted above is spelled out like that.

Maybe they should have signed a different letter that listed only your concern. However, they didn't.

Lets pretend for a moment though that you're right. Lets play Devil's Advocate and stipulate your point.

How many of these CLEOs are married? Do you think for one second they don't expect their marriage licenses to be honored when they go on vacation to Florida, Vegas or CA without "verification?" Think any of them bring a copy of their marriage license combined with proof that can be verified its correct when they travel? After all, how does Miami know that their WA marriage license wasn't forged or improperly acquired?
Do you understand the concept of full faith and credit among the states?
If any of them believed what you said and THAT was the reason for their letter, then that would make them the worst kind of hypocrites in valuing some civil rights over others.

Also, the fact that these CLEOs want local requirements like NYC's requirements of providing hookers and vacations to cops in exchange for gun permits is pretty disgusting. Lets not pretend for a second they didn't notice it. Every cop I know pays close attention to national news involving other police.
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Or how about the fact that SF county, one of the most populous counties in the country has their sheriff bragging they only have a couple gun permits for a million+ people and that they openly use "may issue's" "good cause" requirement to deny all permits?

Does not having a permit prevent people who shouldn't be carrying from doing so?

oh what the hell... Maple valley? Come on! Might have to email DJ and get an explanation on his reasoning.

Ask him which state would override WA. Should be interesting to get an answer.