Article discusses that the USAF does not have a good alternative to using an F-22 Raptor for dropping munitions in Afghanistan, even though the Raptor costs around $70,000 per hour to operate in the theater and no real hostile air defenses are present.
Interesting that at least some focus is returning to cheap and affordable prop driven attack aircraft after so many decades focused almost exclusively on the development of successive generations of stealth technology (e.g. F-117 Nighthawk -> F-22 Raptor -> F-35 Lightning II).
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Sat May 26, 2018 6:48 am
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Interesting. I didn't know that there was such a discussion ongoing.
I wonder WHY the F-22 costs $70,000/hour to operate? Could that be reduced?
Something makes me a little nervous about sending someone out in one of those turboprops and saying, "oh don't worry, they don't have air defenses, this one's cheaper to fly and you'll be fine" while an F-22 sits on the field idle.
A-37 Dragonfly for the win. Cheap to produce, Complete ground attack package that’ll carry anything in our inventory...and it’s a proven design.
Interesting point I had almost completely forgotten about the Cessna T-37 Tweet. The Tweet in particular was used for decades as the primary vehicle for USAF pilot training (retired from inventory in 2009 apparently). Did not realize there was an A-37 variant for ground attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
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Sat May 26, 2018 7:12 am
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Interesting. I didn't know that there was such a discussion ongoing.
I wonder WHY the F-22 costs $70,000/hour to operate? Could that be reduced?
Something makes me a little nervous about sending someone out in one of those turboprops and saying, "oh don't worry, they don't have air defenses, this one's cheaper to fly and you'll be fine" while an F-22 sits on the field idle.
I bet the F-22 operating figure includes the cost of the forward operating base, ground support personnel, aerial refueling assets, and other support operations necessary to field the aircraft. IMO one of the finest aircraft ever produced though not terribly surprised about the high operating cost. Toss in the cost of a KC-135 aircrew, operating expense, and fuel expense and things could add up pretty quickly.
One thing to consider is that thousands upon thousands of close air support missions were flown using the Douglas A1 Skyraider in Korea and Vietnam. There's always risk of aircraft and pilot loss due to small arms fire (i.e. Golden BB) though any competent planner would never send such a plane into heavily contested airspace without aircraft to provide SEAD and fighter cover, even then probably a poor idea at best in that kind of environment now that we have fifth generation stealth aircraft available (e.g. F-22 and F-35).
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Sat May 26, 2018 7:18 am
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A-37 Dragonfly for the win. Cheap to produce, Complete ground attack package that’ll carry anything in our inventory...and it’s a proven design.
Interesting point I had almost completely forgotten about the Cessna T-37 Tweet. The Tweet in particular was used for decades as the primary vehicle for USAF pilot training (retired from inventory in 2009 apparently). Did not realize there was an A-37 variant for ground attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
The YAT-37D, and the A-10 would both be good choices. We had an A-10 come in one time missing 1/2 a wing, and an engine. The pilot was like oh well it'll buff out. https://media.defense.gov/2017/Mar/31/2 ... KOSOVO.PDF
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:29 am
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A-37 Dragonfly for the win. Cheap to produce, Complete ground attack package that’ll carry anything in our inventory...and it’s a proven design.
Interesting point I had almost completely forgotten about the Cessna T-37 Tweet. The Tweet in particular was used for decades as the primary vehicle for USAF pilot training (retired from inventory in 2009 apparently). Did not realize there was an A-37 variant for ground attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
The YAT-37D, and the A-10 would both be good choices. We had an A-10 come in one time missing 1/2 a wing, and an engine. The pilot was like oh well it'll buff out. https://media.defense.gov/2017/Mar/31/2 ... KOSOVO.PDF
I had an A-10 poster on my wall growing up... right next to the Countach....
I saw pics from Desert Storm/Shield, with an A10 in pieces, as mentioned, half wing missing, rear stabilizers all but gone, sitting on the tarmac.... .riddled with holes...... Pilot had landed it..... Triple redundant systems FTW!
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