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Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:15 pm

Pablo wrote:I guess that 0.00002% roots in Africa are gonna come in REAL handy when I get my full share!


Yeah, exactly.

What happened to the Africans was absolutely horrible and disgusting, and has had lasting effects on our culture. No doubt about that.

However, the whole concept of reparations just seems absolutely ridiculous. So let's think about this, presumably every black person would receive $x. What constitutes "black"? 100% African descent? 99%? 50%, 10%, 1%? Presumably we would pick a number, or maybe have a sliding scale where folks who are 100% would receive $x, and people who are 50% would receive $x/2. Whatever.

So . . . how would you make that happen? It would require:

- A nationwide registry of black people, or at least anyone who wanted reparations.
- The U.S. government would suddenly become a giant genealogy department, since they would need to confirm everyone's claim of ancestry percentage.

And once it was all figured out, then the money could be dispensed.

That registry sounds like the beginning of yet another bad period for African-Americans . . . I just don't see it happening.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:59 pm

Civil Liberties Act of 1988

I still want my 40 (rural) acres and a mule. Actually, I’ll take 25 acres and a market cash equivalent for the other 15 acres so that I can improve the 25 acres.

In the mean time, I’ll just keep working for what I have and what I want.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:22 pm

They better start with the Red Man.

AND dont forget the Chinese pretty much built the east-west railroad.

AND the Japanese Internment camps.

AND Jewish, Italian, Irish racism in the early/mid 1900's....






The UN can go pound sand.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:26 pm

We repaid the Irish already...

They got Bastin and large portions of New Yohk City..Drinkin' their couifee in Hahvahd Yahd....

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:09 pm

This is all blowback from Trump challenging the contributions of other countries, .vs ours.

Many countries now pay more, or are supposed to...

The UN was pissed over that already, and the recent support of Israel, added fuel o the fire.

They're grasping at straws to poke back at the U.S.

Whether someone is for, or against, reparations, doesn't matter in this instance, because the U.S. doesn't care what the U.N. thinks, and none of their 'declarations' matter without a political or monetary penalty.

In this instance, since they can't even pay their light bill without us, I'm not too worried...

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:00 am

I'll take a crack at a serious post. We're not exactly the only country in the world with some spotty history. For sure the enslavement of Africans was a terrible thing in our history, as was the extermination of the American Indians. However, let's look at just a few examples from recent history of apalling behavior worldwide (many of which make our transgressions look pretty mild in comparison):

- Armenian Genocide by Turkey
- The Holocaust
- Soviet Communist pogroms and Gulag System
- The Rwandan Genocide inflicted by Hutu tribal factions
- The Yugoslav Wars and ethnic cleansing
- Attempted extermination of Israel by Arab Countries in several wars
- Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution
- French Colonial rule in Southeast Asia
- Japanese occupation of China and Southeast Asia in WW II
- Various military juntas in Central and South America in the mid to late 1900's
> El Salvador
> Guatemala
> Chile
> Argentina's Dirty War and 'Los Desaparecidos'
- Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
- Spanish Civil War
- World War I aggression by the Central Powers of the Triple Alliance
- World War II aggression by the Axis powers

It seems mankind is ever seeking to outdo itself in terms of barbarities against their fellow people.

So is this push for reparations for American slavery also accompanied by a corresponding push to punish just about every other country on Earth for past atrocities? Is the UN prepared to catalog every atrocity in history and force each offender to pay reparations?

My take on this is that's just so much political showpiece and bullshit theater from Anti-American factions in the UN. Screw them.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:38 am

GeekWithGuns wrote:I'll take a crack at a serious post. We're not exactly the only country in the world with some spotty history. For sure the enslavement of Africans was a terrible thing in our history, as was the extermination of the American Indians. However, let's look at just a few examples from recent history of apalling behavior worldwide (many of which make our transgressions look pretty mild in comparison):

- Armenian Genocide by Turkey
- The Holocaust
- Soviet Communist pogroms and Gulag System
- The Rwandan Genocide inflicted by Hutu tribal factions
- The Yugoslav Wars and ethnic cleansing
- Attempted extermination of Israel by Arab Countries in several wars
- Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution
- French Colonial rule in Southeast Asia
- Japanese occupation of China and Southeast Asia in WW II
- Various military juntas in Central and South America in the mid to late 1900's
> El Salvador
> Guatemala
> Chile
> Argentina's Dirty War and 'Los Desaparecidos'
- Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
- Spanish Civil War
- World War I aggression by the Central Powers of the Triple Alliance
- World War II aggression by the Axis powers

It seems mankind is ever seeking to outdo itself in terms of barbarities against their fellow people.

So is this push for reparations for American slavery also accompanied by a corresponding push to punish just about every other country on Earth for past atrocities? Is the UN prepared to catalog every atrocity in history and force each offender to pay reparations?

My take on this is that's just so much political showpiece and bullshit theater from Anti-American factions in the UN. Screw them.


Great post. That is exactly what it is.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:16 am

GeekWithGuns wrote:I'll take a crack at a serious post. We're not exactly the only country in the world with some spotty history. For sure the enslavement of Africans was a terrible thing in our history, as was the extermination of the American Indians. However, let's look at just a few examples from recent history of apalling behavior worldwide (many of which make our transgressions look pretty mild in comparison):

- Armenian Genocide by Turkey
- The Holocaust
- Soviet Communist pogroms and Gulag System
- The Rwandan Genocide inflicted by Hutu tribal factions
- The Yugoslav Wars and ethnic cleansing
- Attempted extermination of Israel by Arab Countries in several wars
- Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution
- French Colonial rule in Southeast Asia
- Japanese occupation of China and Southeast Asia in WW II
- Various military juntas in Central and South America in the mid to late 1900's
> El Salvador
> Guatemala
> Chile
> Argentina's Dirty War and 'Los Desaparecidos'
- Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
- Spanish Civil War
- World War I aggression by the Central Powers of the Triple Alliance
- World War II aggression by the Axis powers

It seems mankind is ever seeking to outdo itself in terms of barbarities against their fellow people.

So is this push for reparations for American slavery also accompanied by a corresponding push to punish just about every other country on Earth for past atrocities? Is the UN prepared to catalog every atrocity in history and force each offender to pay reparations?

My take on this is that's just so much political showpiece and bullshit theater from Anti-American factions in the UN. Screw them.

Agree, and that list could be expanded a whole bunch. Humans have a history, and most of it involves rivers of blood.

Everything that I see in the world indicates to me that this is part of humanity. I had been about to type that I hope we've learned our lessons and can live peaceably... It's hard to permanently kill the hopeful optimism that many of us humans have, but truly, free humans will always have to fight to remain free.
And history shows us that it's not always the good guys who win.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:42 am

PMB wrote:
GeekWithGuns wrote:I'll take a crack at a serious post. We're not exactly the only country in the world with some spotty history. For sure the enslavement of Africans was a terrible thing in our history, as was the extermination of the American Indians. However, let's look at just a few examples from recent history of apalling behavior worldwide (many of which make our transgressions look pretty mild in comparison):

- Armenian Genocide by Turkey
- The Holocaust
- Soviet Communist pogroms and Gulag System
- The Rwandan Genocide inflicted by Hutu tribal factions
- The Yugoslav Wars and ethnic cleansing
- Attempted extermination of Israel by Arab Countries in several wars
- Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution
- French Colonial rule in Southeast Asia
- Japanese occupation of China and Southeast Asia in WW II
- Various military juntas in Central and South America in the mid to late 1900's
> El Salvador
> Guatemala
> Chile
> Argentina's Dirty War and 'Los Desaparecidos'
- Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
- Spanish Civil War
- World War I aggression by the Central Powers of the Triple Alliance
- World War II aggression by the Axis powers

It seems mankind is ever seeking to outdo itself in terms of barbarities against their fellow people.

So is this push for reparations for American slavery also accompanied by a corresponding push to punish just about every other country on Earth for past atrocities? Is the UN prepared to catalog every atrocity in history and force each offender to pay reparations?

My take on this is that's just so much political showpiece and bullshit theater from Anti-American factions in the UN. Screw them.

Agree, and that list could be expanded a whole bunch. Humans have a history, and most of it involves rivers of blood.

Everything that I see in the world indicates to me that this is part of humanity. I had been about to type that I hope we've learned our lessons and can live peaceably... It's hard to permanently kill the hopeful optimism that many of us humans have, but truly, free humans will always have to fight to remain free.
And history shows us that it's not always the good guys who win.


I hear you. I still try to see people as individuals on their own merits and behavior, good or bad. We all have the capacity to make right or wrong choices as we go through life and believe that individuals always have the option to mend their ways and improve their behavior at any given juncture (though not everyone takes that option).

On a social level though it seems that most places in the world are ruled by a mob mentality and lizard brain thinking not far removed from those of our primate ancestors who first learned to walk upright in the African plains eons ago. Human nature hasn't really changed much since then, particularly in large social settings where our tendency to treat our fellow humans with decency is frequently overruled by blind deference to authority and tribal instincts.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war" - George Santayana, frequently attributed to Plato

Back to the topic of reparations, I am personally not a fan. Forcing a nation now several generations removed from the physical reality of slavery to pay reparations for long ago behavior by our forebears is bound only to create and exacerbate present tensions. I don't see how this can be anything of a positive nature. Philanthropic giving and treating other individual people with decency (regardless of skin color) in the here and now is a different story.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:00 am

Another reason to cut off the UN. Stop funding then and tell them to get the hell off US soil.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:04 am

GeekWithGuns wrote:I don't see how this can be anything of a positive nature.

It's not intended to be.

It is a petty stab by the same people behind hitlary and obama, intended to cause strife, violence and long-lasting discord on all levels.

Like the "german hillary" meme that was on here somewhere yesterday...

We'll pay reparations as soon as your country pays reparations to all the jews in the world, 'german hitlery'!!! Another example of the nightmare involved with such a thing. Can you imagine trying to track first, all the descendants of those who were scattered. Then the descendants of all those who were killed. Then figuring out what kind of reparations are necessary...

It's a recipe for long lasting, and far reaching trouble, turmoil, and economic drain, for ANY country. And the drafters of this damn well knew it.

Petty, butt-hurt, power greedy, evil wankers.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:41 pm

What did the U.N. day about Australian genocide against aboriginals?

What did the U.N. say about Canada tearing apart natives families?

What did the U.N. say about European colonial repression of most freakng everywhere?

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:03 pm

GeekWithGuns wrote:I'll take a crack at a serious post. We're not exactly the only country in the world with some spotty history. For sure the enslavement of Africans was a terrible thing in our history, as was the extermination of the American Indians. However, let's look at just a few examples from recent history of apalling behavior worldwide (many of which make our transgressions look pretty mild in comparison):

- Armenian Genocide by Turkey
- The Holocaust
- Soviet Communist pogroms and Gulag System
- The Rwandan Genocide inflicted by Hutu tribal factions
- The Yugoslav Wars and ethnic cleansing
- Attempted extermination of Israel by Arab Countries in several wars
- Chinese Communist Cultural Revolution
- French Colonial rule in Southeast Asia
- Japanese occupation of China and Southeast Asia in WW II
- Various military juntas in Central and South America in the mid to late 1900's
> El Salvador
> Guatemala
> Chile
> Argentina's Dirty War and 'Los Desaparecidos'
- Khmer Rouge in Cambodia
- Spanish Civil War
- World War I aggression by the Central Powers of the Triple Alliance
- World War II aggression by the Axis powers

It seems mankind is ever seeking to outdo itself in terms of barbarities against their fellow people.

So is this push for reparations for American slavery also accompanied by a corresponding push to punish just about every other country on Earth for past atrocities? Is the UN prepared to catalog every atrocity in history and force each offender to pay reparations?

My take on this is that's just so much political showpiece and bullshit theater from Anti-American factions in the UN. Screw them.


Reparations are indeed a nonsense idea. Black Africans surely had it bad, but no worse than many other cultures then AND NOW. It's an ugly secret that fails to satisfy the "whites are evil" narrative, but just who do you think was capturing all those blacks in Africa and putting them in cages to be sold to whites? Think about that for a moment. Well known dirty secret of history that black slave traded started and continued right there with blacks selling other blacks. It was the constantly warring black tribes who BRUTALIZED other tribes, raping, enslaving, killing, conquering, and selling into slavery. So look no further than blacks enslaving blacks then, just as they do now with street poisons and violence.

Add to the above list the whites sold into the slave trade in Africa. Research it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

I wish folks would stop fretting and trying to sow racial dissension among current people by constantly dividing and rehashing the sins of yesterday. It literally does no good. And as pointed out the logistics are silly and impossible, and purely sow division and waste and grow taxation issues. It would be a violation of the equal protections clause as well and create more problems than it hopes to solve.

If you want to address and make a difference in slavery today, let's end economic slavery in the world. Demand corporate responsibility. Look at your sugar and chocolate products. Who do you suppose harvested them? Possibly a 12 year old kid working for pennies. Look in your closet and examine your designer shoes and jeans. Likely that some malnourished woman made them in Asia for pennies. How about that fancy phone or computer or TV you replace every few years. Good chance that some economically enslaved person or people in Asia made those. It would also be nice if drug pushers would stop enslaving and pushing drugs onto people, and if people would stop allowing themselves to be enslaved by drugs.

There are currently deeply hopelessly economically enslaved people around the world without clean water or enough food to eat, probably 5 out of 10 people. Maybe more.

Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:26 pm

Wasn't it Africans "kidnapping" fellow Africans and then selling their prisoners into slavery?

Want reparations, file claims against the parties who took their ancestors to the slave markets.

Yes, blacks have been dealt a shitty hand for a lot of years. Laws allowing the abuses have been removed. Billions have been spent to assist those who were willing to put forth some effort on their part

Every segment of society has successful black people who've risen to the top of their profession through education and hard work. Yet we still hear from those that still prefer to be professional victims

Screw the UN.

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Re: U.N. declares U.S. owes reparations to black people....

Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:35 pm

deadshot2 wrote:Wasn't it Africans "kidnapping" fellow Africans and then selling their prisoners into slavery?


I think that fact has been tried many times to be erased from our history books many times.
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