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Sorting out the mess at the border
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waglocker
Location: Ohio Joined: Fri Nov 9, 2012 Posts: 3915
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All of this is designed to rile up the know-nothings and the lefties for the midterm elections..... look at the timing. President Trump and Congress need to be tackling voter registration and ID, not some space force. Democrats have no platform other than hatred for America, lies, and fraud.
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NWGunner
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13412
Real Name: Steve
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The Flores Settlement actually requires the children be separated and put into a "less restrictive" environment. This is a required part of enforcing border security, if you're going to enforce it. You would think the idea of separating the children, especially for safety, since drug cartels & coyotes use other people's children to garner favoritism, would be a good one. Once it became known that folks with kids got through, more kids were taken. If your heart is really for the kids.... (edit....ooops, meant to add link about Flores https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resour ... next-steps )
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snozzberries
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Guns4Liberty wrote: The mainstream media are frothing at the mouth at the inhumane treatment of the poor migrants and their children at our southern border, but are they telling you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Of course not! There is much more to the issue than they're telling us, and I think it's because they want to motivate people to get out and vote in the midterms (against Trump & the GOP). I found this article on the topic, and I think it does a good job of explaining the issue without much bias. It's a bit long, but a good read. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/amp/Thanks for the link. So nice to read some facts that isn't loaded with emotion, rants, ravings, and rhetoric.
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jukk0u
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The U.S. and President Trump, personally is SO-O-O heartless! I want you to read, if nothing else, ONE statement from this story: http://komonews.com/news/local/say-bye- ... ng-her-son"A lot of people are showing up at the border to apply for asylum and are being told, 'We don't have capacity for them,'" Adams said. "It's not like they can just stand in a line for several days, because then the Mexican officials will grab them and deport them. hunh. Imagine that.
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Ops
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use them to make the wall
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Guns4Liberty
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Ops wrote: use them to make the wall  or  ?
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Ops
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either can do the job
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Pablo
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Guns4Liberty
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"Mess" really doesn't even begin to describe it. Decades of feckless border enforcement have finally caught up with us. The Trump administration is doing everything right, though; they're sending a message that catch-and-release is over and that all border-jumpers will be prosecuted, and that the onus is on Congress to overhaul the system. Until the laws change, though, they're going to enforce them as they are written. This executive order he's signing today is not constitutional, as it violates existing law. Of course, the administration knows that, and they're only doing it to ease the tension until Congress can actually do their damn job. In other words, by the time a court actually ruled the EO unconstitutional (if someone were to file a lawsuit), the law may have already been changed, and the EO can be revoked.
The Republicans bear a lot of responsibility for the current situation getting as bad as it has, but the reality is they lack a sufficient majority to fix the system without the Democrats' help. As was mentioned before, the Democrats don't actually want to fix immigration; they prefer to use the chaos as a political weapon against the Republicans. Well, it's possible that approach is losing effectiveness, and I believe the Democrats are very scared about their midterm prospects. But the media sure is helping provide a shitload of cover, like they always do. Notice how there has been very little talk of the FBI hearings on Capitol Hill? This border story has been dominating the coverage. I think it shows how desperate the Left is to get people out to vote. But that means we need to get out and vote, too.
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Guntrader
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Wall Land Mines Immediate Deportation Imprisonment
Pass a law that it is a felony for anyone to make available within the USA blank applications for asylum. They should be placed in bins along the wall, with drop boxes. Fill it out, put it in the box on the Mexican side of the border. Here illegally, need to get the fuck out. Like Mexico does. If the S American illegals traveling through Mexico don't go to the USA, Mexico send them back down South.
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| Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:42 am |
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movingviolation
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Guns4Liberty wrote: "Mess" really doesn't even begin to describe it. Decades of feckless border enforcement have finally caught up with us. The Trump administration is doing everything right, though; they're sending a message that catch-and-release is over and that all border-jumpers will be prosecuted, and that the onus is on Congress to overhaul the system. Until the laws change, though, they're going to enforce them as they are written. This executive order he's signing today is not constitutional, as it violates existing law. Of course, the administration knows that, and they're only doing it to ease the tension until Congress can actually do their damn job. In other words, by the time a court actually ruled the EO unconstitutional (if someone were to file a lawsuit), the law may have already been changed, and the EO can be revoked.
The Republicans bear a lot of responsibility for the current situation getting as bad as it has, but the reality is they lack a sufficient majority to fix the system without the Democrats' help. As was mentioned before, the Democrats don't actually want to fix immigration; they prefer to use the chaos as a political weapon against the Republicans. Well, it's possible that approach is losing effectiveness, and I believe the Democrats are very scared about their midterm prospects. But the media sure is helping provide a shitload of cover, like they always do. Notice how there has been very little talk of the FBI hearings on Capitol Hill? This border story has been dominating the coverage. I think it shows how desperate the Left is to get people out to vote. But that means we need to get out and vote, too. you jinxed it! http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-other-states-plan-to-sue-over-family-separationsQuote: Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson made the announcement Thursday outside a federal prison in the city of SeaTac, south of Seattle, where about 200 immigration detainees have been transferred. The detainees include dozens of women separated from their children under the administration's "zero tolerance" policy, which calls for prosecuting all migrants caught illegally entering the country.
Ferguson said the separations violate the due process rights of children and their parents and that President Donald Trump's executive order Wednesday halting the practice has not resolved the legal concerns.
"This is a rogue, cruel, and unconstitutional policy," Ferguson said. "We're going to put a stop to it."
The lawsuit would be filed in the U.S. District Court in Seattle.
The states set to join Ferguson's lawsuit are Massachusetts, California, Maryland, Oregon, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Minnesota. New York has separately announced plans to sue.
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Guns4Liberty
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That wasn't the kind of lawsuit I had in mind. I was referring to someone suing him because his executive order effectively changes existing federal law, which is not within his constitutional power to do. This lawsuit from Terd Ferguson appears to be just more anti-Trump political bullshit - par for the course from that asshole.
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| Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:44 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Unconstitutional and cruel to enforce federal law uniformly?
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deadshot2
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Guntrader wrote: Wall Land Mines Immediate Deportation Imprisonment
Pass a law that it is a felony for anyone to make available within the USA blank applications for asylum. They should be placed in bins along the wall, with drop boxes. Fill it out, put it in the box on the Mexican side of the border. Here illegally, need to get the fuck out. Like Mexico does. If the S American illegals traveling through Mexico don't go to the USA, Mexico send them back down South. Maybe we could outsource our Southern border security to those who operated the East German border security. Rather than a wall that the Mexicans just blatantly cut holes in or use ladders to climb, create a double layer Fence with a "Dead Zone" between. Towers every few hundred yards with armed guards capable of shooting those who weren't fried by the electric fence. Dirt that is regularly fluffed up so just walking across it is difficult, much less running, and either way leaves huge tracks that even a blind person could see from the towers. Seismic sensors to detect tunneling and huge water towers regularly spaced so any tunnel discovered can be flooded quickly. Anyone ever watch "Border Wars" on cable TV? If so how many times do you read at the end of an episode that those caught have been caught several times before. Caught sneaking across the border and you get deported then barred from entry for 5 years. Get caught again you're barred for 10 years. In all the countries I've traveled in, our southern border enforcement is a joke. A lot of officers running around trying to catch illegal's and drug smugglers only to have the court system turn them loose.. Even if deported you know they'll be back and know in advance the chance of any major jail time is nil. Only solution is a nasty assed physical barrier. One that you touch and it fries your ass.
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jukk0u
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The other necessary part of the equation is to make it STOOPID expensive to be caught employing illegals. THEN you'll start to see a push for change. (probably in the form of visas going like hotcakes)
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