I keep telling my kids that "the number one reason people go to prison, is for doing stupid shit.
So don't do stupid shit."
Shooting at people, illegal firearm possession, and eluding the police all fall under that category.

How far back do we want to go?

Abortion laws when these shit stains were conceived?

Right.

So if I shoot a man threatening to kill me, and I shoot an innocent bystander, it's the guy who threatened me that's at fault, clearly, and I should be absolved of any responsibility.




Or is it only cops that get to blame bad guys for poor decisions?

I don't deal in or debate with "What if"
We are discussing one SPECIFIC incident with some, not all yet, clear facts.

Your little bonghit emoji is cute....But much like you and your police judging comments....meaningless

Why don't you answer the question?

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Blah, blah, blah
So back to ground reality.


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So now back to your normal channel... blah, blah, blah.

Done! Thank you for this information.

They're actually very safe. It allows the tire to fully deflate in seconds...The spikes are hollow and embed in the tire...

Well, as safe as you can be being 3 lanes away from a guy speeding by @ 100 MPH who is trying not to hit the spikes...

I wonder what race they are? never hear that now.

This is awful all around. More officers die in traffic accidents than by all other means combined, and I hate to see this statistic proven true yet again.

As to "directly" vs. "indirectly", Ron (Capt. Mead) and Ken (Lt. Noland, the guy to his right) are both well-spoken, and I'm pretty sure Ron didn't use the word "directly" without careful consideration. Not sure why people are so keen to see the other officer(s) involved charged.



My (very limited) understanding is that they're relatively safe compared to their effectiveness. It is true that they don't always work as intended.

I'm not sure how the officer was in the road at the time of the accident--I know that the ones used by the WSP are these innocent-looking triangle tube shaped things that can be deployed 20 feet out without stepping into the road and with the proper technique. Which my 12 y/o has mastered, thanks to a couple of guys from next door. Much safer than the older versions, which had to be actively dragged across the road, but maybe Kent had one of the older versions.

Spikes allow for a controlled deflation of the tire(s), instead of a sudden deflate or explosion...thus the vehicle is still able to be controlled and somewhat maneuverable instead of being uncontrollable.

I've used spikes and "Stop Sticks" a few times, all with success...no collisions etc in the aftermath.

Some are thrown across the road, and some are placed at the far end and then are spread out as one walks the opposite way.
Some are meant to be placed on the far side of the road, which have a long rope and handle attached. As the target vehicle gets closer, the Officer pulls the spikes across the road.

Then there are "Stop Sticks", which are long triangle shaped about 3 feet long each, and about 6-8" per side (3 sides) so they stay put...no exposed spikes. They are attached together with a short rope, so the overall length is usually a road lane width in length.

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That's what Pete taught Roald to deploy, stop sticks. I'd forgotten the terminology, I'm usually thinking plantings while Roald is chatting up troopers or brass. Those stop stick things are kind of neat, in that the spikes are encased in foam, so holding or even squeezing the stop sticks doesn't result in injury.

Anyway, I'm thinking that there's no way these are what was being deployed, and that the sort of strips that have to be actively dragged across a road were instead in use. Just from watching Roald and Pete, it's fairly obvious that a person doesn't even have to be close to the edge of the lane to deploy the stop sticks.

My sympathies and prayers remain with the KPD.

The 16yr old driver Emeliano Garcia will be charged as an adult.

Apparently these three were drinking at a Tavern before they went on their shooting, run from the cops....




Does the Tavern not also get pulled into this?

I bet the Liquor Control Board will have no choice but to pursue it now that it's been openly reported that a minor was served and that injury or death resulted.

Call 'em!