Wow Im on the anti TW bandwagon? News to me, but what the fuck ever

I guess my posts were uncalled for, but this is acceptable? Good to know.

That's the ANTI-LEO biased observation.

Here's a reality based observation. These HEROES engaged in high speed pursuit against a man firing indiscriminately. Every moment of that pursuit could kill the officer, as we just saw in Kent. A coward who "just wants to go home" would not engage in a high speed chase against a suspect firing at them.
Did you notice the cops bravely engaging the suspect firing bullets at them, and jumping into the fight to fire back to attempt to STOP this man? Every one of those bullets has a destination and it could be fatal for the officers.

We also know this man murdered people and took hostages. The cops were there to STOP him.

Again, it's tragic that an innocent died apparently by an errant police bullet. But this is a train of consequences put in motion by the perp and for which emergency responders are forced to make extremely hard split second life and death decisions, often choosing the least bad option from a menu of bad options, with a fraction of a second to decide. Maybe the alternate course of action is they don't pursue and shoot this murder, and allow him unimpeded to walk into a store and mow down everyone and 40 people are killed? These cops must make life and death decisions instantly and repeatedly for such an event. Nobody can operate with 100% success rate all the time every time. Tragic reality of life.

I cannot wrap my brain around how someone can fault a LEO for what is an obvious heart breaking but otherwise forced accident due 100% to the actions of a violent, murderous, reckless, fleeing felon.

I really, really echo others when they suggest TW go join the police force and show them how perfect you are at decision making, shooting, driving, etc.

Um, so you're saying this is a bad cop?

What is the "good cop" course of action here?

As I see it, if these cops were cowardly, kept their distances, didn't return fire... then the bad guy goes in and kills dozens of people, the criticism will be that they just want to go home at night and are cowards, blah blah blah. Case in point is the security guard in the Florida school shooting.

With the anti-LEO crowd, no matter what they do, they are a bad cop. If they are reactive and shoot back or chase and it hurts an innocent, then they are bad. If they take no action, they are bad. Even if they arrest or shoot someone lawfully, they are abusive and it wasn't necessary.

Can cops to ANYTHING right?

I wasn't being specific to this cop, or any specific cop.

I was addressing the victim mentality, and complete false logic of, "If you think you can do better, why don't YOU go be a cop? And oh how difficult it is to be a cop. Etc.

If you find it so difficult to be a cop, why are you a cop? (See how I made a statement that could be taken by a lawyer trying to show how smart he is... as a statement intended specific to you... In an effort to put a motive in my words, that was not there when I spoke them... And yet you no doubt understood I was not addressing you specifically?)

Good cop course of action? Probably what these cops did. Somebody shoots at you, shoot back until you are sure they can't shoot any more.

That doesn't mean we can't hope for a better world in which the cops would, even in that situation, have more trigger discipline and be more sure of their background and maybe stop shooting when they are around innocent people that might get hit.

Only exception that I know of to that, being where the perp is intentionally and actively shooting innocent bystanders, and therefore you need to stop them as soon as possible. Taking the shot may mean taking the chance that you'll hit an innocent. And maybe get shot at, yourself. But NOT taking the shot guarantees that the perp CAN take another intentional shot at an innocent. And yes, I am aware that there are people who would still rail against the cop for shooting, even in that situation. I'll accede your point about those who are intent in eviscerating the police, no matter what they do. I am not one of those people. For the record, I don't think TW is, either. You could make a line graphic and put us all on it, and I guarantee you'd be surprised at not only the variance you'd find in positions here, but at the actual positions held by people you thought you'd already know the answer to.

The guy in the Florida school shooting should have been stood in front of the school, the next day, and shot execution style. He was no security guard. he was a Deputy Sheriff. Your attempt at mitigating the onerousness of what he did by downplaying his 'duty', notwithstanding.

Cops do LOTS of things right. Every single day. I really LIKE cops. A LOT. If a cop needed help, I would not hesitate even the slightest to put my own life on the line to help them. (I wouldn't even stop to wonder if this was a 'good cop', or a 'bad' one.)

Even knowing that I'd be taking a chance that it would be another cop who could kill me, because of mistaken circumstances.

They DON'T have an easy job. But they know that, when they sign the paper and take the oath. If they can't handle that, they should give up the badge and ride a cubicle somewhere.

Now if you are through trying to be the best lawyer in this here thread, (And making me out to be the bad guy, here.), by building a strawman argument (A weak one, at that.), about my motives, can we get on with addressing why so many bad cops do not get 'policed' by the vast majority of cops, who are the good cops?

Why are so many good cops content to just let their own honor and integrity, and devotion to duty, be besmirched by what seems to be an increasing number of bad cops?

It would seem it's the few bad ones that give the rest a bad name. You'd think they'd be concerned enough about that, to start doing something about it. Instead of enabling the bad behavior by making excuses for them, covering for them, and attacking those who are fed up enough to keep pointing it out when bad cops do bad things.

People want good cops to stop the bad cops. Seems reasonable. You have the vast majority here trying to police their own and stop the bad, improving the group image. Somehow thats not reasonable. Interesting.
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Who or what is the 'bad'? Just because you don't like what someone says doesn't make them wrong.

I don’t think they are doing any more or less stupid shit. Just the msm is picking up the stories more. Cops can’t take a crap and not wash their hands after without it making a headline somewhere.

So thats like my opinion? Much like its your opinion in this thread. You aren't a judge, you're not a jury. All you're doing is pushing an agenda, which is fine. Just dont act like its anything other than you spouting your opinion and furthering an agenda.

You obviously present yourself as someone very knowledgeable and trained in every god damned thing LE or FD. Hard to believe but if true, why dont you go and try and do something about it? Seriously. What else do you have other than time and opportunity? If you had even half the knowledge/training you saw you do, shouldn't be more than a year or so to get on at a dept right now.

Well there is that....

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Bullying? No. At least no more than a witch hunt for a cops head. Not sure how anything I've said can be construed as bullying in any way. Sorry not sorry that I dont agree with every post thats made here.

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Your prior post set me the wrong way, thinking you were mal-aligning these cops. We're good.

For the record, I'm not defending the FL deputy in the school shooting. His acts were the opposite of heroic and he had a duty to intervene. He failed. I'd rather that cops attempt to intervene and maybe make and honest mistake (like in this case a errant bullet, or in the Kent case and accidental highway death) than to stand by and let the wolves prey on innocents. The former examples are honest accidents, the latter is deliberate cowardice and failure to stand up against tyranny.

I don't think there are many truly bad cops. Sure, there are bad apples in every walk of life. But cops to self-police, and ones that can't do it are in fact weeded out. I have high faith in the profession.

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