You red letter guys are all the same

For the record.. I fully support piling on MadPick. In fact, I think he likes it.

Right? You both have red names, screen names that start "Ma" and animals in your avatars. It's a wonder we don't get you guys confused more often!


(Sorry Steve)

So yer saying you piled on to Steve...

Issue the cops 40mm grenade launchers.

Those babies detonate exactly where they are fired.

BOOM !!!!

Clean up on aisle 3.......................

I`m sorry but it has to be said .....Would that make him Officer Weenie?

I'm just glad you're not the forum police. Leave the policing to the mods

I think it should be a standing rule that when a poster offers criticism of how a cop handled a situation, tell us all what YOU would do in that exact situation.

Here, you have a murderous felon speeding thru a busy urban area, firing a weapon in careless disregard of human life. YOU are the cop pursuing him. YOU see him crash in front of a store, and you are in handgun range. He starts running toward the store, firing his gun at you. If he gets in that store, it's a likely possibility he will take hostages and kill people.

You have a second or two to decide what to do.

GO.

And leave the judgement and vilification to judge and jurors. Seems easy right? Or we can all just have our opinions, unless he is entitled his and Im not entitled mine that is.......

No one is trying to take away your right to be wrong...

I kid, I kid.

Everyone has an opinion. I will never get on you for having one..I may disagree with it and cite reasons why I believe you're wrong, though.

The thing that frustrates me is you usually attack me, and not my argument.

As far as this situation goes, by the name of article and text saying 'standoff', the argument of ' we needed to shoot him before he took hostages' is moot, because he had every opportunity to, considering the only one killed there, was killed by police. He DID make into the store. The only thing stopping him from killing people was himself, cops didn't stop him from doing shit. So, you killed an innocent person for ZERO situational advantage.

As far as what I would do?

Engage, as I had a concrete wall as a backdrop, when other people came in view, cease fire and depending on how many officers were on scene, depends on what I do. I don't wanna be split from my partner, so going around back wouldn't be good. I'd probably retreat to my car, grab my AR and position myself to see as much of the store through a store window as I could, and make entry as safely as possible.

If you call 'being upset about cops killing innocent people', 'being upset about abuse of authority', 'being upset about violations of civil rights' an 'agenda', then that 'agenda' would be upholding the constitution and preventing government abuse. So, are you against an 'agenda' of accountability, upholding the constitution, and against gov't abuse?

It's not an either or scenario

And that's almost exactly what the officer did.

On the video, there's about a 5 second window where a volley of shots between the suspect and cop are exchanged. A concrete backstop is present for most of those shots, and the officer stops shooting ALMOST immediately when the backstop becomes the interior of the store.

I say ALMOST, because we know, tragically, that one round entered the store.

And those of us experienced with firearms, shooting, reviewing videos, etc. understand that fractions and splits and so forth are extreme levels of professional shooting and beyond what we can realistically expect from a police officer who was clearly trying to do his best to protect the public.

Factor in the cop is battling a huge adrenaline dump from high speed pursuit and gunshots, observing a car crash, being shot at, and returning fire from what appears to be about 50 feet with a handgun, on a laterally running suspect firing back. Not a simple task, and in fact probably a task not one of us here could repeatedly reliably score hits on.

This was clearly IMO a total tragic accident and not in any way negligence or faulting the officer. He did his humanly best to stop this ARMED, DANGEROUS, MURDEROUS, FLEEING, FELON. In no way was this reckless. It was a tragedy.

Sure, that makes sense.

Why stop there?

If you post about anything at all, you must post an opposing viewpoint.

Why do you persistently try to make cops the victims? One would think you were a liberal or something. That IS, after all, their modus operandi. Make yourself or the one you want to elevate, the victim. Then anyone who opposes the victim is some kind of evil monster...

TW is free to post whatever he wants as long as he stays within the forum rules.

You are free to post anything you want in response, as long as you stay within the forum rules.

But you want to change the forum rules, so that you can have your opinion, but he cannot...

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Gawd Madpick would you just stop!?!?!