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Site Supporter   Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480 
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sinus211 wrote: I'm really itching to get back out to Montana. I load all my prairie dog ammo on a turret press and crimp pretty hard to avoid set back on my AR when it chambers. That being said my AR is a murder machine out there. I've got many long range kills and outstanding consistency at mid range. I'd drop 30-40 charges on the progressive and weigh the powder. If it's consistent weight then seat and crimp 30-40 and measure with calipers. If it's consistent length then shoot them over the chrono. If it's consistent speed then who cares what kind of press you load on. Consistency. My AR is a mossberg mmr hunter 20". It ain't the rifle doing the work. It's the ammo, and a little bit of luck + practice I hear what you're saying but I also have a Daniel Defense DDMV1 16" that is really accurate but not quite as accurate as my home built 24" bull barrel. My goal is to qualify at 600 yards at Cascade and they don't allow carbines from what I've been told (Dementia). So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? Steve, the ogive on a 69 gr round might (at best) make a difference of .001 I've read the articles and for the life of me can't figure out how to accurately measure from the arch where the bullet meets the die... Nope I'm going OAL, from base to point where every normal person measures from. _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
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Site Supporter  Location: Idaho, Land of the Free Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 22302 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Site Moderator   Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13843 Real Name: Mike
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Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: I'm really itching to get back out to Montana. I load all my prairie dog ammo on a turret press and crimp pretty hard to avoid set back on my AR when it chambers. That being said my AR is a murder machine out there. I've got many long range kills and outstanding consistency at mid range. I'd drop 30-40 charges on the progressive and weigh the powder. If it's consistent weight then seat and crimp 30-40 and measure with calipers. If it's consistent length then shoot them over the chrono. If it's consistent speed then who cares what kind of press you load on. Consistency. My AR is a mossberg mmr hunter 20". It ain't the rifle doing the work. It's the ammo, and a little bit of luck + practice I hear what you're saying but I also have a Daniel Defense DDMV1 16" that is really accurate but not quite as accurate as my home built 24" bull barrel. My goal is to qualify at 600 yards at Cascade and they don't allow carbines from what I've been told (Dementia). So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? Steve, the ogive on a 69 gr round might (at best) make a difference of .001 I've read the articles and for the life of me can't figure out how to accurately measure from the arch where the bullet meets the die... Nope I'm going OAL, from base to point where every normal person measures from. No one has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo? I hand weigh all my charges, measure every round for COAL, and measure diameter at the crimp. When you're loading 1500 rounds on a turret press that's a chore. I'm a little confused here. You're critiquing other people's loading technique in a thread where you're asking about cutting corners by loading on a progressive? If you really want ultra accurate ammo load it on a single stage and measure every round. If you want to cut corners, cut corners. Can't have your cake and eat it too. _________________ Licensed/Bonded/Insured Hardwood Floor Installer/Finisher http://www.hardwoodfloorsnw.com/ |
| Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:57 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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sinus211 wrote: Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: I'm really itching to get back out to Montana. I load all my prairie dog ammo on a turret press and crimp pretty hard to avoid set back on my AR when it chambers. That being said my AR is a murder machine out there. I've got many long range kills and outstanding consistency at mid range. I'd drop 30-40 charges on the progressive and weigh the powder. If it's consistent weight then seat and crimp 30-40 and measure with calipers. If it's consistent length then shoot them over the chrono. If it's consistent speed then who cares what kind of press you load on. Consistency. My AR is a mossberg mmr hunter 20". It ain't the rifle doing the work. It's the ammo, and a little bit of luck + practice I hear what you're saying but I also have a Daniel Defense DDMV1 16" that is really accurate but not quite as accurate as my home built 24" bull barrel. My goal is to qualify at 600 yards at Cascade and they don't allow carbines from what I've been told (Dementia). So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? Steve, the ogive on a 69 gr round might (at best) make a difference of .001 I've read the articles and for the life of me can't figure out how to accurately measure from the arch where the bullet meets the die... Nope I'm going OAL, from base to point where every normal person measures from. No one has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo? I hand weigh all my charges, measure every round for COAL, and measure diameter at the crimp. When you're loading 1500 rounds on a turret press that's a chore. I'm a little confused here. You're critiquing other people's loading technique in a thread where you're asking about cutting corners by loading on a progressive? If you really want ultra accurate ammo load it on a single stage and measure every round. If you want to cut corners, cut corners. Can't have your cake and eat it too. You are confused! I haven't critiqued other peoples loading techniques. The thread is how "I" use my Dillon to load ammo with and OAL of -.0000/+.0005 In order to achieve this I measure every round too.  _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
| Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:48 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Idaho, Land of the Free Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 22302 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: I'm really itching to get back out to Montana. I load all my prairie dog ammo on a turret press and crimp pretty hard to avoid set back on my AR when it chambers. That being said my AR is a murder machine out there. I've got many long range kills and outstanding consistency at mid range. I'd drop 30-40 charges on the progressive and weigh the powder. If it's consistent weight then seat and crimp 30-40 and measure with calipers. If it's consistent length then shoot them over the chrono. If it's consistent speed then who cares what kind of press you load on. Consistency. My AR is a mossberg mmr hunter 20". It ain't the rifle doing the work. It's the ammo, and a little bit of luck + practice I hear what you're saying but I also have a Daniel Defense DDMV1 16" that is really accurate but not quite as accurate as my home built 24" bull barrel. My goal is to qualify at 600 yards at Cascade and they don't allow carbines from what I've been told (Dementia). So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? Steve, the ogive on a 69 gr round might (at best) make a difference of .001 I've read the articles and for the life of me can't figure out how to accurately measure from the arch where the bullet meets the die... Nope I'm going OAL, from base to point where every normal person measures from. No one has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo? I hand weigh all my charges, measure every round for COAL, and measure diameter at the crimp. When you're loading 1500 rounds on a turret press that's a chore. I'm a little confused here. You're critiquing other people's loading technique in a thread where you're asking about cutting corners by loading on a progressive? If you really want ultra accurate ammo load it on a single stage and measure every round. If you want to cut corners, cut corners. Can't have your cake and eat it too. You are confused! I haven't critiqued other peoples loading techniques. The thread is how "I" use my Dillon to load ammo with and OAL of -.0000/+.0005 In order to achieve this I measure every round too. I think it has been amply demonstrated that some have gone FURTHER than you have to load extremely accurate loads. Question: You say they don't like carbines in that competition. Is it because of the semi-automatic action? High cap mags? short barrel? You never answered about whether you load from a magazine or if you use a Bobsled? _________________ “I really don't care, Margaret." ~JD Vance |
| Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:58 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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jukk0u wrote: Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: I'm really itching to get back out to Montana. I load all my prairie dog ammo on a turret press and crimp pretty hard to avoid set back on my AR when it chambers. That being said my AR is a murder machine out there. I've got many long range kills and outstanding consistency at mid range. I'd drop 30-40 charges on the progressive and weigh the powder. If it's consistent weight then seat and crimp 30-40 and measure with calipers. If it's consistent length then shoot them over the chrono. If it's consistent speed then who cares what kind of press you load on. Consistency. My AR is a mossberg mmr hunter 20". It ain't the rifle doing the work. It's the ammo, and a little bit of luck + practice I hear what you're saying but I also have a Daniel Defense DDMV1 16" that is really accurate but not quite as accurate as my home built 24" bull barrel. My goal is to qualify at 600 yards at Cascade and they don't allow carbines from what I've been told (Dementia). So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? Steve, the ogive on a 69 gr round might (at best) make a difference of .001 I've read the articles and for the life of me can't figure out how to accurately measure from the arch where the bullet meets the die... Nope I'm going OAL, from base to point where every normal person measures from. No one has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo? I hand weigh all my charges, measure every round for COAL, and measure diameter at the crimp. When you're loading 1500 rounds on a turret press that's a chore. I'm a little confused here. You're critiquing other people's loading technique in a thread where you're asking about cutting corners by loading on a progressive? If you really want ultra accurate ammo load it on a single stage and measure every round. If you want to cut corners, cut corners. Can't have your cake and eat it too. You are confused! I haven't critiqued other peoples loading techniques. The thread is how "I" use my Dillon to load ammo with and OAL of -.0000/+.0005 In order to achieve this I measure every round too. I think it has been amply demonstrated that some have gone FURTHER than you have to load extremely accurate loads. Question: You say they don't like carbines in that competition. Is it because of the semi-automatic action? High cap mags? short barrel? You never answered about whether you load from a magazine or if you use a Bobsled? They may have gone further on a singe stage press but I did it with a Progressive which is the WHOLE POINT OF THE POST! Progressives are notorious for +/- .010 but through trial, error and process change I have it down to +/-.0005 Not sure why Cascade doesn't allow carbines to qualify for 600 yards but that's what a member (who's wife is on the board) told me. It's not a competition but they require people to show they are competent to shoot at targets 600 yards away! Magazine or Bobsled? Ya got me there  _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
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Site Supporter  Location: Snohomish, WA Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 Posts: 1402 Real Name: Bo
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Measuring COAL and/or Ogive is important but the main reason I chose a single stage over a progressive is due to runout. My Forster Co-Ax does a better job minimizing the runout than my Dillon 650.
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Site Supporter Location: Idaho, Land of the Free Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 22302 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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http://www.originalbobsled.com/
Jamming the tip of a precision loaded round up a feed ramp is going to frack with your COAL most likely. The bobsled limits you to loading single rounds - de riguer in some events - and may avoid some of that wear and tear on your ammo that you've sought to load to exacting COAL measurements _________________ “I really don't care, Margaret." ~JD Vance |
| Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:18 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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jukk0u wrote: http://www.originalbobsled.com/ Jamming the tip of a precision loaded round up a feed ramp is going to frack with your COAL most likely. The bobsled limits you to loading single rounds - de riguer in some events - and may avoid some of that wear and tear on your ammo that you've sought to load to exacting COAL measurements I don't jam anything! I am taking a semi precision press made for banging out rounds and making rounds within 1/2 a thousandth of an inch. To do this on a single stage you would have to use extreme care so to do it on a progressive ya have to be gentle. High accuracy rifles are bolt action, not AR's or AK's... Just doing my best to use a progressive press in a way it wasn't designed to make a more accurate round and my groupings show I'm doing something right... 5 rounds at 200 yards out of an AR with a 24" bull barrel  _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
| Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:15 pm |
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Site Moderator Location: Marysville Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 Posts: 13843 Real Name: Mike
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Classic wrote: sinus211 wrote: Classic wrote: So it's sounding like no one has gone through the hassle (yup I'm anal) to load ultra accurate ammo? No one has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo? You are confused! I haven't critiqued other peoples loading techniques. But you just said "no one else has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo." That's all I load. I buy factory plinker ammo, not worth the time to load. And I don't use a progressive because it can't consistently load "ultra accurate ammo." I'm sure you get good results off your progressive press. But if you're trying to load match ammo on a progressive, you're not nearly as "anal" as you think you are. _________________ Licensed/Bonded/Insured Hardwood Floor Installer/Finisher http://www.hardwoodfloorsnw.com/ |
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Site Supporter  Location: Skagit County, in the woods Joined: Tue Apr 7, 2015 Posts: 1059
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jukk0u wrote: Jamming the tip of a precision loaded round up a feed ramp is going to frack with your COAL most likely. Classic wrote: High accuracy rifles are bolt action, not AR's or AK's... You guys are funny... |
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Site Supporter Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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sinus211 wrote: But you just said "no one else has gone through the hassle to load ultra accurate ammo." That's all I load. I buy factory plinker ammo, not worth the time to load. And I don't use a progressive because it can't consistently load "ultra accurate ammo." I'm sure you get good results off your progressive press. But if you're trying to load match ammo on a progressive, you're not nearly as "anal" as you think you are. Yes I said that "talking about a progressive press" (Look at the Subject..."progressive"). And yes I am loading match grade ammo on a progressive. My rounds are virtually identical which is why I posted in the 1st place, thinking that someone else using a Dillon might be interested. Anyone can do it on a single stage, try it on a progressive and share your results! You'll quickly learn what anal is _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
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Site Supporter  Location: East of Japan, not by much. Joined: Fri Jun 3, 2011 Posts: 13009
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What I got so far.
Sinus and Classic both like anal. Sinus likes single stage anal. Classic likes progressive anal. The subject of the thread was indeed however, how to achieve accuracy to the best extent possible, on a progressive press. Will wonders ever cease. _________________ Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Give a man a fishing pole, and he will drink too much beer, get tangled in fish line, hook himself in the nose casting, fall overboard, and either drown, or, go home hungry and wet. Give a man a case of dynamite, and he will feed the whole town for a year! BE ON NOTICE: PRIVACY NOTICE: Warning - any person and/or institution and/or Agent and/or Agency of any governmental structure including but not limited to the United States Federal Government also using or monitoring/using this website or any of its associated websites, you do NOT have my permission to utilize any of my profile information nor any of the content contained herein including, but not limited to my photos, and/or the comments made about my photos or any other "picture" art posted on my profile. You are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, disseminating, or taking any other action against me with regard to this profile and the contents herein. The foregoing prohibitions also apply to your employee, agent, student or any personnel under your direction or control. The contents of this profile are PRIVATE and legally privileged and confidential information, and the violation of my personal privacy is punishable by law. UCC 1-103 1-308 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WITHOUT PREJUDICE |
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RENCORP wrote: Classic likes progressive anal. If he buys an auto-drive for that press, we may have an issue.... _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
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Site Supporter Location: Federal Way Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 Posts: 5480
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MadPick wrote: RENCORP wrote: Classic likes progressive anal. If he buys an auto-drive for that press, we may have an issue....  Yah... I'm pretty sure that aint gonna happen _________________ Banned for calling GOD a racist! Oh that's tight, Seattle guns is DEAD! |
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