You are supporting my position that people shouldn't rush to judgement when all the facts aren't available yet. Everyone's seen the same video and the comments have ranged from essentially "Cops are just a bunch of mad-dog killers and always get away with it" to "gosh, I'm not sure exactly what went down cause it looks like -----".

Only way anyone will know for sure of the facts in this incident is when the results of the investigation including autopsy results are made available. When only facts and not speculation are presented. At that point anyone in the wrong will more likely than not be taken to task.

Not only are we seeing the unsubstantiated claims of police misconduct or negligence, we're also seeing the homeless woman's "Family" talking lawsuit (if one hasn't already been filed). Just curious, why are they suddenly so concerned about their "loss" now and more likely than not just ignored her as she fell into the circumstances she lived in at the time of her death?

Greed.

Well, when cops stop shooting innocent people, maybe.....

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OK. I'll bite.

What uniform did you wear? Be specific. What Department or Agency? Were you, or are you now a sworn officer? Were you in the military? Are you a combat veteran?
Please elaborate.

It would only be fair for you to answer every question you ask him, before he answers.

To be 'smart', it would all be better taken to PMs. And anyone that wanted personal info about him, should first volunteer their own info, via pm, for a response via pm.

Innocent people die every day due to accidents of all kinds. Until all the facts are known then how can one pass immediate judgement that police are just running around shooting innocent people every day. The totality of the situation makes a difference as to whether or not it's intentional, a stupid act, or just a plain accident.

There are over 800,000 sworn officers (full and part time) in this country. I suppose that if you want to make it your career to find and report on each and every one of them that shoots someone and then try to make a case that "Cops are out of control" you do have that right. Doesn't mean anyone's going to take you seriously. Fact is that 27% or less of all police officers have ever fired their firearms on the job (excluding training time). In NYC the number is less than 5%.

The 'Yes, I did' was in response to his failed assertion that I didn't answer his question.... But, I guess you read things how you want them perceived....

Herd of irrelephants trumpeting away again...

I've already answered that question numerous times.

Your 'if you're not us you can't judge us' BS is exactly that, BS...

I'd like to hear specific answers to these questions as well, TW. I have speculated in past posts which were mod deleted due to "ad homonem"?, what I thought. If they were inappropriate, I apologize to you. Your answers to the above questions would certainly give me a frame of reference to validate where your expertise and opinions come from, and significantly affect the credibility associated with them. Your past responses along the lines of 2 major county agencies seemed deliberately evasive, for reasons unknown.

I realize that those answers are really nobody's business, I get it trust me. However when you allude to prior vocational experience to support or bolster your positions, it seems reasonable to elaborate upon those qualifications and training. I'm just trying to follow the background that may have contributed your thought processes and conclusions regarding law enforcement personnel specifically.

I'll just remind all the readers of the positions the anti-cop crowd has taken.

When the cop fired on the armed, fleeing, shooting suspect and missed and hit/killed a Trader Joes employee, they blasted the cop for being proactive in trying to prevent a perp from taking hostages.

When the cop fired and killed the woman hostage, they blasted the cop for not being proactive and shooting the threat before he took a hostage.

When cops were not proactive enough at Columbine or Florida highschool, and waited outside, the cops were at fault.

When the cops were slow and methodical in their entry into the Las Vegas shooter hotel, they were too slow and didn't rush in and kill the guy fast enough.

However, when cops charge in shooting anyone holding a gun, like the Aurora Colorado homeower that was killed recently, the cops are at fault and should magically know who is the bad or good guy. Or other situations where they rush in and shoot the wrong person by accident in the confusion.

If the cops shoot a driver reaching for a weapon they are at a fault and should have waited.

If they don't shoot him and he gets away and hurts someone, they should not have waited.

If they don't shoot and it results in a high speed pursuit and someone innocent is killed, of course the cops are a fault again.

Can the cops ever get anything right in your eyes I wonder?

It's almost like cops can make the wrong decisions under different circumstances. What a novel concept.

It's like driving around with lights/sirens on a donut run, then not using lights/sirens on a domestic call and getting into an accident, then complaining 'I get yelled at when I use my sirens, and I get yelled at when I don't, I can't win'....

Just because opposite actions are required for different circumstances doesn't make it 'impossible' or a 'can't win'.... Your supposition is ridiculous.

Still hear crickets chirping here^^^

If you'll read, you'll find that I've already answered that question. Just as I have in nearly every other thread where someone pulls out the stupid ass response of 'if you're not us, you can't judge us' or some variant thereof, who attempts to question my character/credentials as a way of trying to take focus away from the people who are actually to blame..

You sound like alone irrelaphant trumpeting your horn TW. My inquiry was in response to this thread only, which I have read, start to finish, repeatedly, and I must have missed your answers to the questions posed. my bad. Would you please, as a favor to an ignorant civilian citizen, show me the answers tothe specific questions asked by Powderman, with specific answers.

I don't know the first thing about you sir, other than your opinion expressed in this post and a few others. I'm not judging you, realize and respect that you have a right to your opinions and actually am in agreement on some of your points. I'm not questioning your credentials, how can I if I don't know them? Neither am I trying to refocus blame, and I'm certainly not in a position to assign blame based solely on what information is available via the media.

Your continued refusal to answer direct questions makes me curious. I'm just trying to better understand fellow members and various view points. I know the vocations and background of several forum participants. In your case TW I don't. I'm not pushing an agenda and were I to try to debate this particular issue, would feel disadvantaged not knowing the proffesional background of the players.

Also, if you are reluctant to answer in the open forum, I'd gladly receive a PM or meet face to face over a beverage?

It was actually in a response to your BS post about being a failed security guard....Which probably got nuked because I had quoted you in it.

Regardless, this thread has nothing to do with previous employment (or lack thereof) and such line of questioning is solely an attempt to make an 'argument of/from authority'... and it has zero bearing on the accuracy of my statements or validity of my opinions.

But just to prove my point.....

I've never been a cop or security guard, nor applied to be one, or wanted to be one (After ~age 5 or whatever because every kid wants to be a cop/astronaut at some point.)

Now, go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because I was never a cop...

So, what does that have to do with a dead guy, who should have been positively identified as the homeowner, and posed such a threat that only ONE of the many officers on scene discharged their weapon?

TW,
I didnt see your response to my BS quote about my speculation of failed security guard, dogcatcher, etc. either. We both probably had our posts deleted. I have since apologized to you in this thread and have taken a different, less provacative tack to further my understanding of your viewpoint. I appreciate the latest information regarding what you are not or haven't been. Still curious about your county agency job experience and if we possibly know some of the same persone l? I'll g ive it a rest for now TW. I've been made awar e of information you have provided on other forums which pretty well satisfies my curiousity.