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Site Supporter   Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18058 Real Name: Chuck 
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jukk0u wrote: Doesn't washington have some kind of Good Samaritan law where you can't just abandon someone with critical health issues? The GS law covers you if you help to the best of your ability. It does not require you to do squat. _________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:05 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173 Real Name: Johnny 5
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MadPick wrote: So . . . legally speaking, what do you think these guys can be charged with? They stole $178 and some cigarettes, and obviously were total fucking subhuman scumbags. So what charges could they face? Failure to summon aid. Robbery. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.36.160 RCW 9A.36.160 Failing to summon assistance. A person is guilty of the crime of failing to summon assistance if: (1) He or she was present when a crime was committed against another person; and (2) He or she knows that the other person has suffered substantial bodily harm as a result of the crime committed against the other person and that the other person is in need of assistance; and (3) He or she could reasonably summon assistance for the person in need without danger to himself or herself and without interference with an important duty owed to a third party; and (4) He or she fails to summon assistance for the person in need; and (5) Another person is not summoning or has not summoned assistance for the person in need of such assistance. Stress from the theft caused heart attack.... EDIT: Appears that the act is not robbery per RCW, but theft... RCW 9A.56.050 Theft in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of theft in the third degree if he or she commits theft of property or services which (a) does not exceed seven hundred fifty dollars in value, or (b) includes ten or more merchandise pallets, or ten or more beverage crates, or a combination of ten or more merchandise pallets and beverage crates. (2) Theft in the third degree is a gross misdemeanor. I'd bet their attorney would argue that making the call would be violating the 5th since a call would place them at the scene of the crime. _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:13 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Idaho, Land of the Free Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 22299 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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golddigger14s wrote: jukk0u wrote: Doesn't washington have some kind of Good Samaritan law where you can't just abandon someone with critical health issues? The GS law covers you if you help to the best of your ability. It does not require you to do squat. Duty to rescue laws. Like hit and run laws. I think currently you have a duty to REPORT crime and the penalty is misdemeanor. But IIRC I recently read about a push for a law to make NOT calling or actually rendering assistance for health issues a crime. _________________ “I really don't care, Margaret." ~JD Vance |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:02 pm |
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Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 53100 Real Name: Steve
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TW, thank you for looking that up!
TechnoWeenie wrote: Stress from the theft caused heart attack.... But . . . was there any theft at the point that he collapsed? Or did the theft happen AFTER he fell down? I'd like to see these fuckers locked away forever, but I have a sinking feeling that it's not going to happen. _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:06 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13411 Real Name: Steve
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Q13 just reported they've been identified, though they aren't in custody yet.
They also said the guy in the white tank top wasn't with them, and can be heard telling the clerk 'these are not my boys'. The boys can be charged with Burglary in the 2nd Degree, rather than just theft, because they came back. No Good Sam law here, so no charge for not calling for help, BUT, they know the kids knew he was still alive, because he can be heard moaning when they returned. |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:12 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Kent,wa Joined: Mon Apr 2, 2012 Posts: 261 Real Name: John
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MadPick wrote: TW, thank you for looking that up! TechnoWeenie wrote: Stress from the theft caused heart attack.... But . . . was there any theft at the point that he collapsed? Or did the theft happen AFTER he fell down? I'd like to see these fuckers locked away forever, but I have a sinking feeling that it's not going to happen. No audio in the video, however clerk was pointing at one the kids pockets. Also eating the jerky before paying for it? Totally agree with these individuals should be facing the full extent of the law if found guilty. Please not I am impartial until I know I will not be called for jury duty and have received all the facts at trial. |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:26 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13411 Real Name: Steve
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Actually, there is audio in the video, it just wasn't released.
See above post on the parts Q13 discussed... |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:28 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Kent,wa Joined: Mon Apr 2, 2012 Posts: 261 Real Name: John
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NWGunner wrote: Actually, there is audio in the video, it just wasn't released. See above post on the parts Q13 discussed... Please see original post video no audio, and I still hold by my view of hoping to be called for jury duty for this case and will reframe from hearing it until I know weather it is my time to go. Want to be unbiased and impartial! On a completely unrelated topic, is there still capital punishment in Washington? |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:35 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu May 2, 2013 Posts: 13411 Real Name: Steve
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I didn't realize you didn't read the whole thread...never mind.
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| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:39 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173 Real Name: Johnny 5
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According to the report/news
He saw them eating it, asked them to pay for it, they basically said 'eff you, here's a dollar' despite taking more than that, then he had a heart attack, they took their money back and decided it'd be a great time to rob the store... Edit: mod requested. _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Last edited by TechnoWeenie on Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:45 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:48 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15489 Real Name: chris
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goodtimes wrote: NWGunner wrote: Actually, there is audio in the video, it just wasn't released. See above post on the parts Q13 discussed... On a completely unrelated topic, is there still capital punishment in Washington? NO because of that FUCKSTICK gayjay https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/category/c ... washington _________________  |
| Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:16 pm |
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Site Admin Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 53100 Real Name: Steve
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Here’s an update in Zarif’s (the store clerk) condition from the Gofundme:
Quote: Thank you to everyone who has prayed, sent good thoughts, positive messages and donated to Zarif and his family. It is uplifting to see the support of so many people. Today is Zarif's birthday, and he is spending it in critical care. He is not able to breathe on his own yet. However, he has opened his eyes a few times and even moved his foot! The doctors say this is a good sign. Please continue to keep Zarif and his family in your prayers and hearts. Help spread the word! _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:38 am |
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Site Supporter Location: I-5 /512 Joined: Thu Dec 8, 2011 Posts: 15489 Real Name: chris
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MadPick wrote: So . . . legally speaking, what do you think these guys can be charged with? They stole $178 and some cigarettes, and obviously were total fucking subhuman scumbags. So what charges could they face? nsfw...................... .
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| Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:18 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 18058 Real Name: Chuck
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jukk0u wrote: golddigger14s wrote: jukk0u wrote: Doesn't washington have some kind of Good Samaritan law where you can't just abandon someone with critical health issues? The GS law covers you if you help to the best of your ability. It does not require you to do squat. Duty to rescue laws. Like hit and run laws. I think currently you have a duty to REPORT crime and the penalty is misdemeanor. But IIRC I recently read about a push for a law to make NOT calling or actually rendering assistance for health issues a crime. Do you have a duty to report crime if you are the person committing the crime? _________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux |
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