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Where root is heading... Years ago, FBI said we were POC eligible because our CPL BCG's were awesome, on fleek. All it needed for it to go through, was a small working change in the RCW.. That bill failed, and failed again, then died. Poof.

So, while we are still a POC state, the lack of the RCW update means that box 21 gets ghosted.


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Where root is heading... Years ago, FBI said we were POC eligible because our CPL BCG's were awesome, on fleek. All it needed for it to go through, was a small working change in the RCW.. That bill failed, and failed again, then died. Poof.

So, while we are still a POC state, the lack of the RCW update means that box 21 gets ghosted.


Hell, the FBI is why our CPLs got cheaper a couple years ago too!

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And still, no word from BATFE...

Why would the ATF be involved?

NICS is FBI.

Now, our wonderful AG could write a simple letter to the BATFECES and it would allow us to use Box 23 on the 4473s, and we could just not have to bother the FBI at all...


Based on that reasoning, why pay any heed to a WSP memo? After all, they aren't FBI.

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root wrote:
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And still, no word from BATFE...

Why would the ATF be involved?

NICS is FBI.

Now, our wonderful AG could write a simple letter to the BATFECES and it would allow us to use Box 23 on the 4473s, and we could just not have to bother the FBI at all...


Based on that reasoning, why pay any heed to a WSP memo? After all, they aren't FBI.

I mean, no.

The ATF is not involved with NICS. You do not call the BATFE for NICS issues, questions, or problems. The WSP IS involved with Pistol Transfers.

Not sure what you are getting at, other than trying to avoid the fact that you said BATFE when you meant FBI in context? Apples and Potatoes.

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Still waiting for some FFLs to check in and verify that they've received the same info.

Have spoken with owners of a LGS since the OP and it's news to them ...


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Still waiting for some FFLs to check in and verify that they've received the same info.

Have spoken with owners of a LGS since the OP and it's news to them ...


I have not heard a single thing about this outside of the letter posted by the OP.


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Up to five local FFLs who had no idea what I was talking about when I brought up the OP's "information."


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Up to five local FFLs who had no idea what I was talking about when I brought up the OP's "information."

Being an internal email, it wasnt likely MEANT to be released yet... I'd expect a general release post election. Its been confirmed to be true, was even on the radio. This gentlemans been doing a lot of footwork on this subject. https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsystems/

Just because FFL's havnt heard it, doesnt make it untrue... There's a lot of things FFL's dont often know.


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An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation.

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An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation.


My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake.


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An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation.


My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake.


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Your friend is wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsyst ... __tn__=K-R


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An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation.


My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake.


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Your friend is wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsyst ... __tn__=K-R



Was going to edit my post as he sent that to me right after I posted it but forgot. Thank you.


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If it was on Facebook it must be true.


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root wrote:
The ATF is not involved with NICS.

From NICS regulations in 28 CFR Part 25
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1998-1 ... -29109.pdf

"FFLs shall contact the NICS by contacting either the FBI NICS Operations Center or a state point of contact (POC) for the NICS, as specified by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), United States Department of the Treasury. The ATF will notify each FFL of the method by which FFLs must contact the NICS in their state."

So ATF certainly mandates how FFL's will comply with federal law regarding NICS checks, and FFL's must also comply with WA State requirements - which might be easier said than done.


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