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Massivedesign
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Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38378
Real Name: Dan
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Where root is heading... Years ago, FBI said we were POC eligible because our CPL BCG's were awesome, on fleek. All it needed for it to go through, was a small working change in the RCW.. That bill failed, and failed again, then died. Poof.
So, while we are still a POC state, the lack of the RCW update means that box 21 gets ghosted.
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:30 pm |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4575
Real Name: J
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Massivedesign wrote: Where root is heading... Years ago, FBI said we were POC eligible because our CPL BCG's were awesome, on fleek. All it needed for it to go through, was a small working change in the RCW.. That bill failed, and failed again, then died. Poof.
So, while we are still a POC state, the lack of the RCW update means that box 21 gets ghosted. Hell, the FBI is why our CPLs got cheaper a couple years ago too!
_________________ "Guns are dangerous." -Massivedesign
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:31 pm |
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3584ELK
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Location: Lake Andes, S. Dakota Joined: Thu Aug 8, 2013 Posts: 1290
Real Name: Mark
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root wrote: 3584ELK wrote: And still, no word from BATFE... Why would the ATF be involved? NICS is FBI. Now, our wonderful AG could write a simple letter to the BATFECES and it would allow us to use Box 23 on the 4473s, and we could just not have to bother the FBI at all... Based on that reasoning, why pay any heed to a WSP memo? After all, they aren't FBI.
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| Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:32 pm |
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4575
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3584ELK wrote: root wrote: 3584ELK wrote: And still, no word from BATFE... Why would the ATF be involved? NICS is FBI. Now, our wonderful AG could write a simple letter to the BATFECES and it would allow us to use Box 23 on the 4473s, and we could just not have to bother the FBI at all... Based on that reasoning, why pay any heed to a WSP memo? After all, they aren't FBI. I mean, no. The ATF is not involved with NICS. You do not call the BATFE for NICS issues, questions, or problems. The WSP IS involved with Pistol Transfers. Not sure what you are getting at, other than trying to avoid the fact that you said BATFE when you meant FBI in context? Apples and Potatoes.
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| Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:47 pm |
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Old Dog
Location: Port Orchard Joined: Mon May 7, 2018 Posts: 5
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Still waiting for some FFLs to check in and verify that they've received the same info.
Have spoken with owners of a LGS since the OP and it's news to them ...
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Nitro_Guns
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Old Dog wrote: Still waiting for some FFLs to check in and verify that they've received the same info.
Have spoken with owners of a LGS since the OP and it's news to them ... I have not heard a single thing about this outside of the letter posted by the OP.
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Old Dog
Location: Port Orchard Joined: Mon May 7, 2018 Posts: 5
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Up to five local FFLs who had no idea what I was talking about when I brought up the OP's "information."
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Jackal
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2018 Posts: 9
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Old Dog wrote: Up to five local FFLs who had no idea what I was talking about when I brought up the OP's "information." Being an internal email, it wasnt likely MEANT to be released yet... I'd expect a general release post election. Its been confirmed to be true, was even on the radio. This gentlemans been doing a lot of footwork on this subject. https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsystems/Just because FFL's havnt heard it, doesnt make it untrue... There's a lot of things FFL's dont often know.
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| Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:54 pm |
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mislabeled
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Location: N-Sno Joined: Thu Oct 3, 2013 Posts: 4015
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An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation.
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MyNameIs940
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Location: Kirkland Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 Posts: 820
Real Name: Shawn
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mislabeled wrote: An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation. My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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| Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:26 am |
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Jackal
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2018 Posts: 9
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MyNameIs940 wrote: mislabeled wrote: An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation. My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Your friend is wrong. https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsyst ... __tn__=K-R
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| Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:00 pm |
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MyNameIs940
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Location: Kirkland Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 Posts: 820
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Jackal wrote: MyNameIs940 wrote: mislabeled wrote: An FFL could always contact the original sender of the message, whose e-mail is clearly visible. That might help put an end to the speculation. My friend runs an ffl and reached out to a few people on that email that he knows personally and all said it was fake. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Your friend is wrong. https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsyst ... __tn__=K-RWas going to edit my post as he sent that to me right after I posted it but forgot. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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vic_b
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Location: Maple valley Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 Posts: 3693
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If it was on Facebook it must be true.
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SporkBoy
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Location: Deckerville Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 Posts: 2964
Real Name: Rob
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No, on Facebook means its Russians colluding.
_________________ “The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race.”-Malcolm X
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| Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:45 am |
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gunblaster
Location: Puyallup Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 Posts: 576
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root wrote: The ATF is not involved with NICS. From NICS regulations in 28 CFR Part 25 https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1998-1 ... -29109.pdf"FFLs shall contact the NICS by contacting either the FBI NICS Operations Center or a state point of contact (POC) for the NICS, as specified by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), United States Department of the Treasury. The ATF will notify each FFL of the method by which FFLs must contact the NICS in their state." So ATF certainly mandates how FFL's will comply with federal law regarding NICS checks, and FFL's must also comply with WA State requirements - which might be easier said than done.
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