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 Trump to Sign Executive Order to End Birthright Citizenship 
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President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for “Axios on HBO,” a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump’s hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting “anchor babies” and “chain migration.” And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

Trump told “Axios on HBO” that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/428837/

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Revoking birthright citizenship would have immediate and far-reaching consequences. It would mean the children of illegal aliens, even if born in the United States, would not be bestowed U.S. citizenship upon birth. It would also likely deter the practice of foreigners having “anchor babies,” where they aim to give birth to children on U.S. soil so as to obtain U.S. citizenship for their children at birth.

In fact, the anchor baby population–those born in the United States to at least one illegal alien parent–has skyrocketed in recent years. According to a recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report, the total anchor-baby population now exceeds the annual number of U.S. citizen births from American citizens.

Trump moving forward on such plans would likely set off a legal and political battle of epic proportions, as lawsuits would come in challenging the order’s legality and the president’s authority to act via executive action on this front. But there also remains a possibility, if Republicans hold the House in next week’s midterm elections and add seats in the Senate, that a more permanent legislative fix not dependent on who is in the White House could come for dealing with ending birthright citizenship.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/30/watch-president-trump-readies-plan-to-end-birthright-citizenship-via-executive-action/


Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:03 am
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I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.


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Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.


Bingo! We collectively pissed and moaned about Obama doing the same thing. EOs arent law. All this will do is create controversy and cost taxpayers money until this is settled.

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Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:11 am
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Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.


Bingo! We collectively pissed and moaned about Obama doing the same thing. EOs arent law. All this will do is create controversy and cost taxpayers money until this is settled.

+1.

I do not like the concept of "anchor babies." Immigration should occur in a far more beneficial (to the USA) manner. We need to be careful stewards of the nation's future. Plans for even 10 years out seem half-baked, but I think that we should be planning for hundreds of years, with the awareness that plans change as conditions do.
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Agree this is the wrong legal vehicle to do this. What happens when the next President overturns the EO? Are all babies born during that term of office citizens? Or does it grandfather the babies born under Trump's term? What happens when the next President after that re-enacts the Trump EO?

Matters of lifetime citizenship are too big and too long-term to handle with an executive order.

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Perhaps President Trump is talking about this just to dig in some spurs and start the conversation in the legislatures?

Considering the Judicial Branch's reaction to his perfectly legal travel ban at the beginning of his term - the chances of such a powerful and questionable EO being implemented at this time seems unlikely anyway.


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Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.

Wrong. This doesn't alter the constitution. It restores enforcement of it back to it's original intent and meaning.

The sponsor/author of the 14th Amendment was very specific that it was not supposed to grant birthright citizenship to the children of foreigners on American soil. The history is clear despite the left's lies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/08/ ... stitution/

Senator Jacob Howard was clear, the 14th amendment did not apply to the children of Native Americans, ambassadors or people who were citizens of foreign nations.

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Alpine wrote:
Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.

Wrong. This doesn't alter the constitution. It restores enforcement of it back to it's original intent and meaning.

The sponsor/author of the 14th Amendment was very specific that it was not supposed to grant birthright citizenship to the children of foreigners on American soil. The history is clear despite the left's lies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/08/ ... stitution/

Senator Jacob Howard was clear, the 14th amendment did not apply to the children of Native Americans, ambassadors or people who were citizens of foreign nations.

So you're saying that an EO is the proper way to handle this?


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Guns4Liberty wrote:
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Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.

Wrong. This doesn't alter the constitution. It restores enforcement of it back to it's original intent and meaning.

The sponsor/author of the 14th Amendment was very specific that it was not supposed to grant birthright citizenship to the children of foreigners on American soil. The history is clear despite the left's lies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/08/ ... stitution/

Senator Jacob Howard was clear, the 14th amendment did not apply to the children of Native Americans, ambassadors or people who were citizens of foreign nations.

So you're saying that an EO is the proper way to handle this?


I think it would be better to get it passed thru congress...but technically it is legal.

ETA...I heard this morning that Lindsey Graham is introducing a bill to do just that.

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I think it would be better to get it passed thru congress...but technically it is legal.

Unfortunately, that is not up to us to decide. It will inevitably be left to the courts to decide, as this will most certainly be challenged, and I have little doubt the courts will say the president does not have the authority. I could be wrong, but I see it playing out just like that.


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foothills wrote:
I think it would be better to get it passed thru congress...but technically it is legal.

Unfortunately, that is not up to us to decide. It will inevitably be left to the courts to decide, as this will most certainly be challenged, and I have little doubt the courts will say the president does not have the authority. I could be wrong, but I see it playing out just like that.

I agree.


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Alpine wrote:
Guns4Liberty wrote:
I agree with the spirit of this, but not the method. We don't want presidents thinking they can alter any part of the constitution with just their pen and their phone. If we're going to change the 14th Amendment, let's do it the right way.

Wrong. This doesn't alter the constitution. It restores enforcement of it back to it's original intent and meaning.

The sponsor/author of the 14th Amendment was very specific that it was not supposed to grant birthright citizenship to the children of foreigners on American soil. The history is clear despite the left's lies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/08/ ... stitution/

Senator Jacob Howard was clear, the 14th amendment did not apply to the children of Native Americans, ambassadors or people who were citizens of foreign nations.

I mean, the courts ruled in the 1910s that American Samoans are too primitive to be Americans at Birth too...

Not everything of the past is exactly something that should stick around. I would like to see a rider to include our territories granting citizenship like it should.

I want someone to say that an Island that a massive of its male population tends to be a vet, or active service member of the US Armed forces shouldn't be afforded citizenship. Especially when its because "they are too primitive".

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Some good history.

https://www.14thamendment.us/birthright ... shW04rxak8

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Excellent post

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