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mp1977
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Location: Chimacum, Wa Joined: Tue Dec 6, 2011 Posts: 211
Real Name: Jim
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:40 am |
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L_O_G
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Location: South Seattle Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 Posts: 13515
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One of the MANY reasons I do not have a Facebook account.
_________________ Yes I Do Have A Beautiful Daughter.. I Also Have A Gun, A Shovel, & An Alibi
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:43 am |
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mcyclonegt
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Location: West Olympia Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 Posts: 6852
Real Name: Matt
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flag it as offensive.
_________________ "I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and TANKS! I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN! And loved only one woman, with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!"
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Albert Einstein 1947
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root
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Location: Apple Country! Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2012 Posts: 4575
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I mean everything is crap on facebook. 
_________________ "Guns are dangerous." -Massivedesign
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:32 am |
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beckdw
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Location: Tri -Cities Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 Posts: 2817
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Just because it was written with a clear tone against legal conceal carry on campuses doesn't mean it is worthless for a couple reasons.
First, it is a good article about what NOT to do as a conceal carrier. I and everyone I know made those mistakes as a new carrier. It is physiologically very difficult to avoid touching your gun and adjusting your clothing to ensure it stays concealed. A lot of carriers also unconsciously protect their gun side which can cause one arm to be stiff or for them to have a slight hitch or limp in their step. Most of those actions are made by people who are new (>1-2yr) at conceal carry or criminals.
Which brings me to my next point. As a legal conceal carrier and law abiding citizen, you should have your eyes open to who is doing what is around you. You should be looking for threats (not just weapons but mannerisms as well) and wargame potential threats (including looking for threat partners). You should be prepared to act if a threat reveals itself.
Lastly, the tone of the article does seem to indicate a bias against legal carriers, creating potential hostile confrontations with SJWs who want to provoke you into illegal action.
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:50 am |
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PMB
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Joined: Wed Mar 6, 2013 Posts: 12018
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I wrote a note to him. His article is directed at campus safety, - Spoiler: show
 so I think it can be assumed that his message is rather directed, not for general CPL people. Nevertheless. ... Quote: https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/7-signs-a-weapon-is-being-concealed/
Hello Mike, Thank you for the article that hopefully helps people recognize nefarious carry of concealed weapons. I would have been even more appreciative if there had been something said about how the normal legal conceal carry individual has long been recognized as being among the most law-abiding groups in the country. The simple act of carrying a concealed weapon does not make a person the bad guy. Quite the opposite, really, but much of your article can be taken to assume that every instance of "catching" a conceal carrier is catching a bad guy. Your point about watching for "behavior clusters" is well taken. I am a certified firearms instructor and as devoted to the safety of our campuses as you are. Thank you again for the article, and I plan on sharing it with my students. Sincerely,
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vic_b
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Location: Maple valley Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 Posts: 3693
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Wait.... you mean other people carry rifles in their pants too?
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:19 pm |
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PMB
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Joined: Wed Mar 6, 2013 Posts: 12018
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PMB wrote: I wrote a note to him. His article is directed at campus safety, - Spoiler: show
 so I think it can be assumed that his message is rather directed, not for general CPL people. Nevertheless. ... Quote: https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/7-signs-a-weapon-is-being-concealed/
Hello Mike, Thank you for the article that hopefully helps people recognize nefarious carry of concealed weapons. I would have been even more appreciative if there had been something said about how the normal legal conceal carry individual has long been recognized as being among the most law-abiding groups in the country. The simple act of carrying a concealed weapon does not make a person the bad guy. Quite the opposite, really, but much of your article can be taken to assume that every instance of "catching" a conceal carrier is catching a bad guy. Your point about watching for "behavior clusters" is well taken. I am a certified firearms instructor and as devoted to the safety of our campuses as you are. Thank you again for the article, and I plan on sharing it with my students. Sincerely, And his reply: Quote: This was a modified reprint of a previous article from another publication such as a school administrator’s or pupil transportation magazine.
We normally focus on technical areas of prevention, preparedness etc. rather than the pros and cons of concealed carry overall etc., gun control etc. As a non-profit center, we have to be very careful about anything that could be construed as advocating for or against legislation. It gets pretty technical, but basically we can lose our non-profit status. This in turn would prevent us from doing much of the work that we do at no cost to schools, especially our work in developing countries where schools are far more dangerous than in the U.S.
We do have a chapter on how to make the decision whether or not someone should carry a gun for self-protection in our last book and we have a companion video on our website. We focus a lot on making sure a person is willing to use deadly force and is properly trained if they are going to carry a firearm. We do sometimes advise school clients to arm qualified civilian staff who are not security or police officers although this is actually more common in countries where the rates of violence are much higher and the police are know for either running the other way or delaying response until the attack is over (Kenya, India etc.).
I have a CCW and typically carry when I am home as I have had many very dangerous criminals I arrested vow to kill me and my family. I have even had two different school safety consultants communicate very concerning things to me and on social media sites. I received many cautions from colleagues about one of them in particular because they were so alarmed at things he was saying. We also do a lot of work with Jewish schools, Christian schools etc. as well as anti-terrorism work so we have to exercise an abundance of caution for our own security.
Thanks for the comments and have an awesome evening.
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WaJim
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Location: Tacoma Wa Joined: Tue Oct 8, 2013 Posts: 16607
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vic_b wrote: Wait.... you mean other people carry rifles in their pants too? Yeaah, watch for the people that wear slip on shoes..... 
_________________ "Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed."......Carl Marx
"Let us Cross the river and sit in the shade of the trees" .....Stonewall Jackson
T. Jefferson "....the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure"
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| Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:48 pm |
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mp1977
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Location: Chimacum, Wa Joined: Tue Dec 6, 2011 Posts: 211
Real Name: Jim
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mcyclonegt wrote: flag it as offensive. Did that!
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| Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:09 am |
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Caveman Jim
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Location: In my Cave near the Cloquallum Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 Posts: 8512
Real Name: Jim Sr.
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As L O G replied above, this and the constant assault from anti-gun, kool-aid drinking Bernie fans led to my closing the account. I'm older and this new technology is so unsettling with all the divisive and uncaring humans thinking they can say anything to anybody and not be held accountable (needing asswhoopins). I was only there to confer with my kids family and friends that are strewn across the country. FUCK fb.
_________________"You are either with us...as Americans. Or, You are against us. There is no IN BETWEEN." ??? "We cannot negotiate with those who say, 'What's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable.'" JFK "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Ben Franklin MadPick wrote: I don't think you beat your children enough. 
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