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 Armed bystander confronts stabbing suspect at Seattle Center 
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Not a single mention in this article about an armed bystander:

https://komonews.com/news/local/man-acc ... llion-bail

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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:07 am
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UpDog wrote:
Not a single mention in this article about an armed bystander:

https://komonews.com/news/local/man-acc ... llion-bail


That is some creative writing. No, no media bias.

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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:20 am
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It’s amazing what the “truth” can be.

Remember History is written by the victors. Basically those that control the words. Bias and leaving out key components is their game to control the masses.


Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:26 am
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I wanted to continue the discussion here instead of the civilian arrest thread.

I believe "The Armed" did no good, and was not ready - no backup plan for non-compliance and no situational awareness. The stabber was moving free as can be. The Armed could have been just as useful following the stabber to supply location to authorities if needed.

I give the pepper guy more credit. He followed along without engaging. He had his head on a swivel and worked to create a plan. Took action when he saw his opening.

Did it do much? No because you need to get up and personal with spray. But it was more thought out than The Armed.

Please refer to the Las Vegas 2014 Walmart shooting spree where an armed bystander got dieded by a second armed person whom he didn't notice.

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Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:36 am
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So your stance is he should of not present the firearm. That using his firearm was useless and not needed.

He should of just verbally told the guy to stop and play nice. He would of course followed those commands over a guy yelling at him with a gun pointed at him?

The pepper guy took advantage and used the guy with the gun as protection and a diversion to get that close.

All of the events unfolded as we literally are able to see the whole thing unfold. We can see the body language and the sequence of events. What was said and done.

We can not unfortunately go back and replay this like a video game and insert a different outcome by doing a “new” trick at junction this or that and see the new outcome.

This was real life. The outcome was positive. No one else was injured, BG was apprehended and the good guy went home.


Again, the armed civilian saw what happened and took initial action. I am clearly sure that he thought the guy would either surrender and follow commands or be aggressive and attack.

This again is the gray area. It isn’t clear and again I say he did well. I’m sure he would of wanted the stabber to comply and lay down and wait for police but obviously the stabber didn’t follow the script. He also didn’t present a clear danger to use deadly force. So he did what he could with what he had and how it unfolded.





So if you were there not knowing the future and all the details that this stabber had killed his girlfriend etc. what would you have done and why!

What backup plan are you wanting?


Folks that carry are reactionary. We are not the aggressors. We do not control the actions of the BG.
We are responding to those actions. We don’t dictate the events but only use enough to stop and protect. These events are only seconds long and maybe minutes but the lasting effects are life long. Taking a life stays with you - forever. Even justified uses of force - people have constant thoughts and feeling about it years after the event.

It’s simple to say one would do this or that... but all bets are off when it’s you in that situation. With no control but to react to what is given to you.


Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:08 pm
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So your stance is he should of not present the firearm. That using his firearm was useless and not needed.

EDIT - Correct.

He should of just verbally told the guy to stop and play nice. He would of course followed those commands over a guy yelling at him with a gun pointed at him?

EDIT - Sure and maybe so, maybe not.

The pepper guy took advantage and used the guy with the gun as protection and a diversion to get that close.

EDIT - Correct. He used the environment.

All of the events unfolded as we literally are able to see the whole thing unfold. We can see the body language and the sequence of events. What was said and done.

EDIT - OK. Point? Did The Armed not have eyes, ears, brain?

We can not unfortunately go back and replay this like a video game and insert a different outcome by doing a “new” trick at junction this or that and see the new outcome.

EDIT - But we could use it as a study/preparation for when it may happen.

This was real life. The outcome was positive. No one else was injured, BG was apprehended and the good guy went home.

EDIT - Good guy exposed himself without doing amy good. Please see below video.


Again, the armed civilian saw what happened and took initial action. I am clearly sure that he thought the guy would either surrender and follow commands or be aggressive and attack.

EDIT - Wouldn't you agree that you should then do something else? Yelling about Jesus's sacrafice and pointing a gun did nothing. So try something else. If the police did not arrive I'm sure they would have walked (backwards, I may add) all the way to SeaTac airport.

This again is the gray area. It isn’t clear and again I say he did well. I’m sure he would of wanted the stabber to comply and lay down and wait for police but obviously the stabber didn’t follow the script. He also didn’t present a clear danger to use deadly force. So he did what he could with what he had and how it unfolded.

EDIT - Great. Useless.

So if you were there not knowing the future and all the details that this stabber had killed his girlfriend etc. what would you have done and why!

EDIT - Follow at a safe distance to report to authorities and assess the situation as it continues/changes. Is it my responsibility to make sure no one else gets hurt? Am I currently with company? Am I prepared to take action? If so, what? What body language is the stabber showing? Is there any other danger?

What backup plan are you wanting?


I am on mobile and can't do fancy font color edits but see above for responses.

Also, see this video - start it at the 1:08 mark. I would cite a raw video if I could find.

https://youtu.be/CQOHBSuY7TM

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