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OhShoot!
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Russian troll masons? 
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| Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:22 pm |
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SingularTub
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The liar Nazis at NASA are at it again. They stole this straight out of a book from the 70s called Rendezvous With Rama. Huh. But don't worry you elected the president and mommy and daddy never lied to you about Santa.
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| Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:38 pm |
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wklink
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L_O_G wrote: A mysterious cigar-shaped object spotted tumbling through our solar system last year may have been an alien spacecraft sent to investigate Earth, astronomers from Harvard University have suggested. *yes I know it's CNN* https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/06/health/o ... index.htmlWell, I'm sure that if they are aliens the Democrats will be screaming that they are Asylum Seekers and will be demanding that Trump give them money, jobs, homes and of course ballots.
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| Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:53 pm |
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leadcounsel
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Duke EB wrote: oldkim wrote: Lol
Simple...
Just the math to make the ramp is 3-5 times greater to build than the pyramid itself. So if you think the pyramid is huge. The ramp would be bigger. So might have to look at it a bit closer than a simple ramp. Roman concrete is much better than today's concrete too. Don't judge the past by what we can or cannot do today. Did you actually do the math? I don't think so. I've been to Peruvian ruins including Manchu Picchu and others. Now you tell me how humans with only basic understanding of tools and mechanical advantages in an era before steel managed to move 90 to 150 ton rocks, often many miles and UP a mountain side, and carve them and set them into place to perfectly that there are no gaps.  
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leadcounsel
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In other news, an interstellar blue dress with a mystery white spot was located trailing not far behind.
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Bxc53
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Location: Lynden Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 Posts: 725
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leadcounsel wrote: Duke EB wrote: oldkim wrote: Lol
Simple...
Just the math to make the ramp is 3-5 times greater to build than the pyramid itself. So if you think the pyramid is huge. The ramp would be bigger. So might have to look at it a bit closer than a simple ramp. Roman concrete is much better than today's concrete too. Don't judge the past by what we can or cannot do today. Did you actually do the math? I don't think so. I've been to Peruvian ruins including Manchu Picchu and others. Now you tell me how humans with only basic understanding of tools and mechanical advantages in an era before steel managed to move 90 to 150 ton rocks, often many miles and UP a mountain side, and carve them and set them into place to perfectly that there are no gaps.   My money is on 50,000 slaves and no OSHA....
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L_O_G
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 Damn I could get so much more done from my guys with no OSHA.
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| Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:12 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11574
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Um...
I'm a knuckle dragging framer. Moving large heavy objects is part of my job. Before I got my boom truck I would routinely move 1/2 ton beams by myself with nothing more than levers, rollers, and block and tackle (sometimes a chain hoist). The pyramids, machu picchu, stonehenge are very impressive but well within the scope of human ability. Even with their supposed 'limited knowledge' of mechanics.
I also happen to have a B.S. that included a lot of physics. Nothing I learned in college really aids me in moving big heavy things (although I can probably calculate how many joules of energy it takes, so I guess there's that). More education isn't the answer for doing that kind of work. When I lived in Kentucky I routinely worked on houses that were built centuries ago. The limestone blocks were a big as refrigerators and you couldn't slip a playing card between them. The heavy equipment of the time included draft horses.
Rather sad that we, as a culture, has devalued that type of work to the point where some of you believe that humans aren't even capable of it, and never were.
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BadKarma
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Bxc53 wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Duke EB wrote: oldkim wrote: Lol
Simple...
Just the math to make the ramp is 3-5 times greater to build than the pyramid itself. So if you think the pyramid is huge. The ramp would be bigger. So might have to look at it a bit closer than a simple ramp. Roman concrete is much better than today's concrete too. Don't judge the past by what we can or cannot do today. Did you actually do the math? I don't think so. I've been to Peruvian ruins including Manchu Picchu and others. Now you tell me how humans with only basic understanding of tools and mechanical advantages in an era before steel managed to move 90 to 150 ton rocks, often many miles and UP a mountain side, and carve them and set them into place to perfectly that there are no gaps.   My money is on 50,000 slaves and no OSHA.... Generations of slavery for thousands of years.
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leadcounsel
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Sorry but slave labor doesn't explain this.
Moving a 1/2 ton beam is one thing. There's no reasonable human explanation for moving these stones the distances they did, and carving and stacking them as they have. These are nearly unmovable by humans.
110 ton solid boulders. Not one. Hundreds. And long distances. No roads. Up mountains. Carved with primitive rock tools.
The walk up Manchu Pichu alone is fairly tiring. Those rocks are not native to that mountain top.
Not a chance that humans alone were able to do this.
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RocketScott
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leadcounsel wrote: Sorry but slave labor doesn't explain this.
Moving a 1/2 ton beam is one thing. There's no reasonable human explanation for moving these stones the distances they did, and carving and stacking them as they have. These are nearly unmovable by humans.
110 ton solid boulders. Not one. Hundreds. And long distances. No roads. Up mountains. Carved with primitive rock tools.
The walk up Manchu Pichu alone is fairly tiring. Those rocks are not native to that mountain top.
Not a chance that humans alone were able to do this. Your mom weighs about that And I've picked her up...
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Duke EB
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leadcounsel wrote: Sorry but slave labor doesn't explain this.
Moving a 1/2 ton beam is one thing. There's no reasonable human explanation for moving these stones the distances they did, and carving and stacking them as they have. These are nearly unmovable by humans.
110 ton solid boulders. Not one. Hundreds. And long distances. No roads. Up mountains. Carved with primitive rock tools.
The walk up Manchu Pichu alone is fairly tiring. Those rocks are not native to that mountain top.
Not a chance that humans alone were able to do this. There's no reasonable explanation that you can think of. That leaves a huge number of possibilities that you cannot think of. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean it wasn't possible. From https://www.rediscovermachupicchu.com/mp-construction.htmConstruction Techniques The plateau on which the city was built was also the place where the construction materials were extracted. The rock quarry - this can still be found in the city of Machu Picchu. So, the Incas had no major difficulties in constructing the stone blocks. The majority of construction bricks, rocks are rather small, unlike in the case of Ollantaytambo and Sacsayhuamán. About 5.000 people must have worked to build Machu Picchu - specialists say. But it could only accommodate 750 - 1.000 inhabitants. Strangely there were only about 200 - 250 skeletons found... About 140 buildings were erected. Most of these are houses, some are temples. There also are depots and even a guard house at the edge of the city. The Incas used dry stone technique to build the city. No mortar was used, the stone bricks were simply put together without any material to stick them together. All rocks used were split perfectly and the bricks were put together like a huge puzzle. Some of the bricks are so tightly put together that one cannot even put a knife between them. The rocks were probably cut with the so-called wooden wedge technique: holes were drilled into the rocks and wet wooden wedges were inserted into them. After that the constructors waited until the wet wooden wedges froze. The ice having bigger volume than water, forces the rock and creates fissures. But the wooden wedge technique cannot explain the smoothness and perfect straightness of the bricks. We do not know how the Incas made measurements, calculations. The did not write, but they managed to construct such complex cities.
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NWGunner
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RocketScott wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Sorry but slave labor doesn't explain this.
Moving a 1/2 ton beam is one thing. There's no reasonable human explanation for moving these stones the distances they did, and carving and stacking them as they have. These are nearly unmovable by humans.
110 ton solid boulders. Not one. Hundreds. And long distances. No roads. Up mountains. Carved with primitive rock tools.
The walk up Manchu Pichu alone is fairly tiring. Those rocks are not native to that mountain top.
Not a chance that humans alone were able to do this. Your mom weighs about that And I've picked her up... 
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NWGunner
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Duke EB wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Sorry but slave labor doesn't explain this.
Moving a 1/2 ton beam is one thing. There's no reasonable human explanation for moving these stones the distances they did, and carving and stacking them as they have. These are nearly unmovable by humans.
110 ton solid boulders. Not one. Hundreds. And long distances. No roads. Up mountains. Carved with primitive rock tools.
The walk up Manchu Pichu alone is fairly tiring. Those rocks are not native to that mountain top.
Not a chance that humans alone were able to do this. There's no reasonable explanation that you can think of. That leaves a huge number of possibilities that you cannot think of. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean it wasn't possible. 
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dreadi
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This thread about an alien probe that's probably from Uranus simply delivers.
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