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MD man shot/killed when served anti-gun order...
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18385
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Well, it begins. Maryland Man Shot and Killed by Police While Serving a Gun Violence Restraining OrderQuote: Two Maryland police officers were attempting to enforce a red flag order and confiscate the guns of a 60-year-old Anne Arundel County man who didn’t want to turn over his firearms. But wait... there's more.... Quote: The order was apparently issued following a family dispute. (....)Michele Willis, who was on the scene Monday morning and identified herself as his niece. She attributed that visit by police to “family being family” but declined to elaborate.
She said one of her aunts requested the protective order to temporarily remove his guns. #Resist
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 pm |
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Guns4Liberty
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I'd like to see the family member who initiated all of this held liable - at least partially - for his death. After all, none of this would have happened if it wasn't for them attempting to deprive him of his natural rights.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:34 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Guns4Liberty wrote: I'd like to see the family member who initiated all of this held liable - at least partially - for his death. After all, none of this would have happened if it wasn't for them attempting to deprive him of his natural rights. I'm sure buried in the law is some exemption for all parties involved, including the petitioner.. ie 'not our fault if we violate the constitution or due process'.... The standard for these being issued is such BS. Pretty much 'he has guns and I'm scared'.......
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:37 pm |
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leadcounsel
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This is the danger of all laws on the books.
Every time you vote for a law, realize that in the end those laws will enforced by men with guns and authorized to use lethal force if necessary.
Sad situation. Sad state our nation is declining into in some areas.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:44 pm |
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lamrith
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For those that do not know. MD is a pretty Anti 2A state. You have to have a permit to purchase etc.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:57 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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lamrith wrote: For those that do not know. MD is a pretty Anti 2A state. You have to have a permit to purchase etc. That's an understatement. They kicked down the door of a guy who bought 1k rounds of 9mm, for his carbine... Killed his dog... Because large ammo sales are reported to the state.... and he didn't have a pistol license. State Police got a warrant based on 'Bought pistol ammo, doesn't have a registered pistol, must have an illegal pistol'...... and the courts agreed that it's a 'natural' conclusion that if you buy pistol ammo it's for a pistol... Seized his legally owned guns, and by the time it went to court, they had 'lawfully disposed' of the seized weapons.... Because he didn't get a court order telling them not to. So, seized (and destroyed) legal guns and ammo, kicked down door, dead dog....and court said 'tough shit' Yup. Fuck Maryland.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:12 pm |
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MadPick
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And in case you think they'll come on Saturday afternoon when you're home, dressed and have your wits about you . . . . Quote: The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, 60, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. Assholes.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:20 pm |
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velillen
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MadPick wrote: And in case you think they'll come on Saturday afternoon when you're home, dressed and have your wits about you . . . . Quote: The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, 60, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. Assholes. I would hope that even at 5:17AM we would have enough wits to not open your door and grab your gun after being irate with two armed police officers. This guy got himself killed. The Protective Order definitely had a part in it but the guy's actions got him shot and killed....not the Protective Order. And im not sure why they do things early morning, but a guy i know who recently had to deal with the "Extreme Risk order" or whatever its called in WA was served by PO's at like 6am as well. And FYI i am 100% against the use of "Red Flag" or "Extreme Protection orders" or whatever. They simply dont work and have a shit ton of flaws. Its an stupid system. I got to learn just how stupid via the guy i who had to deal with it
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:32 pm |
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TechnoWeenie
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Quote: This guy got himself killed. The Protective Order definitely had a part in it but the guy's actions got him shot and killed....not the Protective Order. So, the cops, following an unconstitutional order, without due process, was only a minor factor in this, if I'm reading your take on things correctly? You do realize this is only the 1st, of many right? You realize that all it takes is your neighbor to say you've had conversations about being a constitutionalist and willing to die for what you believe in, and you too can have armed thugs kicking in your door. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. This needs to end, because the next time, I bet the guy isn't gonna have just a pistol...and will be more than willing to see how many JBTs he can take out before he gets taken out.... and I'll have zero sympathy for the officers.... They did it to themselves and fucked with the wrong guy.... 'But, they're just doing their job!'... Yeah, well, so were the Ordnungspolizei .... 'He shot at cops! That's proof he's dangerous!'.... To the contrary, it proves the gov't is dangerous and wants a monopoly on force, irrespective of the limits placed on it by the people.
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:56 pm |
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leadcounsel
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velillen wrote: MadPick wrote: And in case you think they'll come on Saturday afternoon when you're home, dressed and have your wits about you . . . . Quote: The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, 60, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. Assholes. I would hope that even at 5:17AM we would have enough wits to not open your door and grab your gun after being irate with two armed police officers. This guy got himself killed. The Protective Order definitely had a part in it but the guy's actions got him shot and killed....not the Protective Order. And im not sure why they do things early morning, but a guy i know who recently had to deal with the "Extreme Risk order" or whatever its called in WA was served by PO's at like 6am as well. And FYI i am 100% against the use of "Red Flag" or "Extreme Protection orders" or whatever. They simply dont work and have a shit ton of flaws. Its an stupid system. I got to learn just how stupid via the guy i who had to deal with it How did the guy "get himself killed?'' An unconstitutional ex-parte order summoned armed cops to his door in the early morning hours, and they SHOT HIM to death... Now, the guy should have put down the gun. HOWEVER, he had done apparently nothing wrong. I blame the state and the cops here. These ex-parte orders are designed to target the 2A and gun owners and get us killed. So, going forward, if you answer the door, the cops may shoot you. If you don't answer, they'll storm the house and kill you. This is really, really a bad situation in many states.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:11 pm |
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Guntrader
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The odds of a family member being killed that day went up about 100,000% when they called the police to come over to 'help them'.
About the same as when the SWAT team ordered all students at my kids HS on the floor at gunpoint while they cleared each room after some kids threw some firecrackers down the stair well.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:12 pm |
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Guns4Liberty
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I know I'll take a lot of heat from some for saying this, but here goes: I only condone the retaliatory use of lethal force against law enforcement officers under EXTREMELY limited circumstances; being disarmed, subjected to unlawful search and seizure, and denied due process under the threat of lethal force happens to be just such a circumstance. I don't even care if the guy in this particular case was a total shitbag; if we allow the precedent to be set that these rights are deniable BEFORE a crime has been committed - turning the presumption of innocence completely on its head - then before we know it, it will be happening to good and bad men alike. If we value Liberty, we absolutely cannot allow that. Law enforcement officers should not be enforcing this unconstitutional bullshit - PERIOD. If they do, they deserve what comes to them.
Haters, hate away - I stand by my statement.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:17 pm |
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dj_fatstyles
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Comply or we kill you is the motto now.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:12 pm |
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quantsuff
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The Wa state law is the same, and yes, the petitioner and LEOs are held harmless under the law.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:31 pm |
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