Shooting occurs, security guard has one of the suspects at gunpoint, on the ground.

CPD decides 'Who needs to ID their target?' And shoots and kills the security guard.

PD is saying 'not our fault, he had a gun'...


https://www.foxnews.com/us/cop-accidentally-kills-security-guard-at-bar-in-chicago-suburbs

I was just about to make this post.

I will wait to see what the report says, but yeah. Start carrying cuffs so you can detain someone and safely put your gun back in its holster. Or try not "matching the suspect description".

Because it is up to YOU to ensure that the Police don't mistake you for someone else. They have no duty to ensure that you are not a bad guy, it boils down to you.

The problem is that if you are alone it would require you to holster the gun, and come in physical contact with the BG. If I was alone I would not want to be in contact with the BG, too many things can go wrong.
Having a gun should not be an automatic shoot me scenario.

No, it should not. However its officer safety and such. Or so it will go, that is.

so, moral of story is, shoot the bad guy(s), kill them, and re-holster gun. blend with crowd.

When the police show up looking for a guy with a gun, you don't want to be the first guy they see holding one.
Ya, he should have cuffed him.

Reminds me of the scene in LA Confidential where the LAPD Captain told Shotgun Ed "Hold your badge up so they know you are a police man"

Win.

Then go away for life for Murder.

Here is a radical idea. Cops should only shoot with a positive identification of the target.

This is why I voted to support the new use of force law.

The cops always say "he had a gun". I have a CPL. That doesn't mean you get to shoot me. Until a on-duty cop kills and off-duty cop, nothing will ever change.

The cop should be charged with murder.

I see what you did there!

Easy. Toss the suspect the cuffs and tell to the fawker to gettem on or your shooting his toes off two at a time.

Of course if you really mean bizz, you put them on him by yourself while the perp is still out cold from the severe pistol whipping you gave him. ;)

Make sure you have a badge in a wallet to hold up when the popo show up so you look like one of the good guys.

Word has it security guard is black...so there is that.

Aw, guys, come on....

1. First of all, the shooting. There is something missing from this picture--either that or the responding officer was grossly negligent in failing to identify the good guys. I cannot believe that a dispatcher would not let the responding officers know that there was armed security on scene.

2. What the security officer DID upon the arrival of the police is crucial. Did he immediately re-holster and raise his hands? Did he turn toward the responding officers with his weapon in hand?

3. I can NOT believe that someone actually posted advice like "shoot and blend into the crowd". Really?

4. Unless you have been trained in cuffing suspects, don't even TRY to apply restraints. WAY too many things can go wrong. And throwing them to the person probably won't work either. They will take off running, because they KNOW at that time that you are NOT acting in any official capacity.

Way to move the goalpost.

Since when is it the citizens responsibility to prove he's not a threat?

Police have shot caged dogs for barking, and shot poodles jumping out of cars, and claimed they were threats... Cops have shot a guy on a motorcycle just for turning around in his seat, and a guy getting out of his car after a fender bender with a wallet and ID in his hand...shot a VICTIM that was held hostage... And even shot a robbery victim IN THE BACK then lied and said he ignored commands... When video proves no such thing happened.

When you train cops that EVERYONE is a threat, guess what happens? 'Gotta go home at the end of the night'... At what expense? Innocent people getting killed? And they wonder why the community doesn't want them around? They got a textbook example right here..

I say shoot the methheads, let the cops be a clean up crew... Funny.. I've had more guns pointed at me by 'helpful gov't employees' than robbers...

If he went to holster they'd say it was a 'furtive movement', if he didn't, they'd say he was a threat.. If he put his hands up with the gun in his hand they'd say he was raising the gun to shoot, and if he dropped the gun someone else could get it.

No win.

Fire the cops. Let the good people police themselves. Justice will prevail, one way or another. Hard to steal batteries from trucks when you got 6 bullets in you...