NYPD is known for 'blue on blue' homicides.... They actually came up with the phrase 'I'm on the job' to indicate you're off duty or plainclothes so you don't get shot.

Officer Andrew Dunton, who killed Omar Edwards (off duty cop)... Was promoted to Sgt. 3 years after killing him..

They just call it an 'isolated incident'... although they've recently stopped using that phrase as when you have multiple 'isolated incidents' they become a lot less isolated....

It was an active shooter, so I am sure the dispatcher was flooded with calls and info. First officer on the scene probably didn't realize there was armed security with one detained. LEO shows up, to an active scene, sees a guy (who I am just going to assume is plainclothes) with his knee in another persons back and a gun pointed at him (probably his head).

Especially in Chicago, where all the bad guys have guns, and very few citizens carry.

Just a shitty situation.

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Since people have decided that Police are more important than the other citizens. To the point that they like to say that "we" are the Civilians and they are not.



And? Yes its shitty, but unless he was actively threatening the guy he was detaining there was little reason for firearms discharge.

[devils advocate] A non uniformed person, holding a gun to another person (actively threatening), in a chaotic scene with an active shooter = bad day. [/devils advocate]

No different than

"omg people are breaking into my house at 5am".
"This is a bad guy, we'll go raid his house at 5am when he's asleep."

Definitely a bad scene.

The whole crowd there was yelling he’s security not the shooter and on top of that his shirt/vest whatever had security written on it. Cop saw a black guy with a gun and panicked. End of story.


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He was in a Security Uniform though, no?

But thats overridden by black man with a gun.

If that's the case. Murder charge.

I’ve read stories that said he wasn’t in uniform and one saying he had a dark vest on that said security.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the shoot was justified. I’m saying the responding LEO walked into a very unique and tense situation. He reacted accordingly.

I’m more of a “let’s see body cam footage and something besides MSM” before we call this a bad shoot and start bashing on LEOs.

Bash away on Chicago though.

FIFY

That's a lot to expect when a good number of their ranks joined the police force because they like to bully people and the idea of shooting someone really gets them off.

Sure, the screening process is supposed to weed them out but how effective is it really. Especially when departments all over the country are under staffed and are begging for recruits.

Is it just possible that incidents like this may well just trigger more police shootings? Suspects may think "hey, this guy's going to shoot me anyway why not see if I can get lucky and shoot him first?" In the case of security guards and regular citizens, rather than get involved, possibly saving someone's life, the thought "If I do this the Police will shoot first and ask questions later" might keep them from acting.

It should be pointed out that this is not how ALL cops act but the ones that do make the headlines. How often do we read of a police officer being rewarded for never having to pull his firearm? For never having to shoot someone. To me that indicates he's using his "basic issue weapon, his brain" rather than his gun. There used to be a name for guys like this on police forces. They called the gunslingers "Wyatt Earp" and often management suggested they find a different career path.

That's happened several times over the last decade and -------------- nothing happened.

This was a cockup on all sides.

There have been plenty of off duty and plain clothes cops shot be responding officers who misidentified them.
Unless ypu are trained and certified in their use handcuffs can be a physical danger and a liability. Too tight and you get sued and if not certified, you will lose almost automatically.
Company policy might not allow it and trying to find someplace to train is hard for those who aren't cops.
Anyone know of anyplace locally I can get certified as an armed guard?

The guard wasn't well enough marked. Almost sounds like the informal plain clothes with just a beanie hat that said security on it. Most likely with the word to the front.
Front and back lettering is a lesson I see from this. A duty belt also might cause pause. What criminal uses a duty belt?
Body armor is a good thing if you can find a way to afford it. Protects from both criminals and so,e misidentification.

When he was told to drop the gun he probably didn't think the cop was talking to him. He was the good guy, why would the cop be talking to him? Simple human nature.
His employer shares some of the responsibility for hot training him on how to react when the police arrive. Perhaps itnshould be part of their licensing requirements.

The cop though... the crowd was telling him the guy was security. A crowd who was just shot at is not likely going to protect the shooter who is still standing there with gun in hand.
The cop got serious tunnel vision.

The Midlothian PD will be paying a huge amount for this. There is no real way to justify it. Not with the crowd IDing him like they were.