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Berlin man, 95, charged over 36,000 deaths in Nazi camp
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11589
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I dunno. He was just a guard, maybe a private. All the senior nazi's have been dead for decades. If he didn't do what he was told, he wouldn't be alive today either. https://www.france24.com/en/20181123-be ... -nazi-campGerman prosecutors on Friday charged a 95-year-old man with more than 36,000 counts of accessory to murder over his alleged time as a Nazi concentration camp guard during World War II. The allegations against the accused, identified only as Hans H., concern atrocities committed at the Mauthausen camp in Austria, the Berlin public prosecutor's office said in a statement. Hans H. is believed to have belonged to the SS-Totenkopfsturmbann (Death's Head Battalion) between summer 1944 and spring 1945 at Mauthausen, part of the Nazis' vast network of concentration camps where inmates were forced to perform slave labour. Prosecutors argue that by working as a guard at the site, the accused contributed to tens of thousands of prisoner deaths.
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CQBgopher
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Capn Blood
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:28 am |
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TechnoWeenie
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Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 19173
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Think about this...
They're prosecuting a 95 y/o man for 'just following orders'....
Yet police departments get away with killing people then claim they were 'following dep't policy' ie 'just following orders'.....
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PMB
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Capn Blood wrote: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Arthur_Butz/publication/268425258_The_Hoax_of_the_Twentieth_Century_The_Case_Against_the_Pre-_sumed_Extermination_of_European_Jewry_I_NSTITUTE_FOR/links/56fe969908aea6b77468cca6/The-Hoax-of-the-Twentieth-Century-The-Case-Against-the-Pre-sumed-Extermination-of-European-Jewry-I-NSTITUTE-FOR.pdf?origin=publication_detail I am open to the possibility that Nazi war crimes were exaggerated, but the exaggeration of already unbelievably awful crimes against humanity doesn't get anyone a pass. The author of the paper seems intelligent and honest, but there can be no denying that the Nazis started out before the war carrying out eugenics programs, and then amplified that to intelligentsia in Poland within days after they started WW2. They used mass murder and torture as a means to terrify the population that they left alive, and then used them as servants at best, and expendable slaves/ flesh machines to work to the death at worst.
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:17 pm |
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Ace
Location: KC area Missouri Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2016 Posts: 1666
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Regardless, they are prosecuting a man who most definitely now needs assistance in wiping his own butt and needs to eat a strict regimen of baby food. I call this too late justice. What next, are they gonna dig up himmler and hang him again? They should have caught and tried him years ago if they were going to do it.
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:45 pm |
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PMC
Location: North Seattle Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2011 Posts: 604
Real Name: Paul
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There's no statute of limitation for prosecuting and punishing murderers. The same should be true for those who commit crimes against humanity.
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:06 pm |
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Ace
Location: KC area Missouri Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2016 Posts: 1666
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True, but it’s a waste of resources, they aren’t going to hang him, and once convicted if he survives the trial, he’s still going to spend life in hospice. On the German governments dime. So really your helping his kids out by sending him to jail. I don’t call that justice at all.
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:27 pm |
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PMB
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Justice... What does it mean? When I was a kid I had this weird notion of things balancing out in the end... But that's utter bullshit. There is no balancing the scales when innocent people are hurt or killed. It's impossible.
The people who have dedicated their lives to pursuing justice against those who perpetrated one of the most horrific crimes against humanity in the last century will continue to go after even the names of the guilty after they are dead.
I find it a little odd also, but mostly because there can be no real justice for the wronged. There is no balancing of those scales.
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:36 pm |
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Arisaka
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I'm not going to kavanaugh the guy. I will wait for the verdict. Then, if guilty, He can spend what's left of his miserable life in jail
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| Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:44 pm |
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leadcounsel
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Arisaka wrote: I'm not going to kavanaugh the guy. I will wait for the verdict. Then, if guilty, He can spend what's left of his miserable life in jail I don't have a horse in the race and I believe he deserves due process (which is far more than the victims of Nazism got). I am curious why it's taken 70+ years for this. He's in Berlin afterall, not like he fled and disappeared (or maybe he did?). If the evidence is solid and he's convicted, then bring back the public firing squad. If you're curious there's a lot of convicted Nazis shot at firing squads on YT videos.
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| Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:20 am |
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Ace
Location: KC area Missouri Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2016 Posts: 1666
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The reason why this is happening at all is the Germans trying to mea culpa their way out of the stigma of the holocaust. They are arresting and trying invalids and saying “see! We are seeking justice for the crimes our grandfathers committed! We too re appalled at what happened here!” When in reality what they are doing is pragmatically improving their self image by sending old security guards to a funded nursery home. This economic powerhouse needs to keep their customers appeased. Which are countries they invaded and oppressed, so yeah, lock GRANPA up, probably won’t realize he’s in jail anyway. Meanwhile Merkle can push another trade deal with France for more Volkswagens and say what a wonderful progressive country they are. All the while they hide their swastikas under the engine blocks.
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CQBgopher
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golddigger14s
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I don't blame the "Nazis, Japs, North Koreans, or any other hated entity". Think about it. They are just like the anti-gun people here in the states. All these groups were brainwashed into believing in that what they were doing was the right thing. When told a certain thing time, and time again from the time of birth that doing a certain thing is the only right way to think, or do then it becomes a reality. The ones to blame are the ones that started that particular way of thinking. Hitler/Bloomberg/Stalin/etc.
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| Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:43 pm |
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Unicorn
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 Posts: 2397
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There is no time limit for murdering hundreds of people.
If the accusations are true, he wasn't just a some low security guard. He was a double volunteer into the worst of the worst. The actual hit squads.
For those talking about a government or taxpayer funded hospice... you realize this is Germany right? Universal healthcare. Only public employees and those making more than 50k a year can have private insurance. So yeah, this is a moot point.
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