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Man arrested for attempting to buy guns at gun buyback
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TechnoWeenie
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https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miam ... 5-10919996So, the cops didn't like it, knew it wasn't illegal, and arrested him as a way to stop him from doing what he was doing. This, is why we need to use force to resist unawful arrests. This is why you need overwatch when engaging in constitutionally protected action. Even If he decides to sue, the city will claim qualified immunity and say it was a grey area and wasn't at fault, even though buying a gun was not illegal. I'm getting really sick and tired of cops making shit up and arresting people for no reason to get them to stop doing things they're legally allowed to do. When a cop says 'you might beat the rap, but not the ride', he needs to be put on notice that shit like that is not acceptable. Qualified immunity needs to be reeled in, or abolished, before the inevitable bloodshed from resisting tyrants, as already evidenced in MD..
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Caveman Jim
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And the winch author is from NY, she needs to go back to that shithole, Florida already has too many cancerous individuals from NY!!! Just like in the PNW, too many cancerous Kalifornicators here.
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Capn Blood
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Apparently Miami Police are pretty arrogant. There's an Open Carry group there with a Youtube channel and it's amazing to see the police harrassment
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OhShoot!
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Pushing the establishment like this will only make them want to classify lower receivers as rifles too. This guy is shooting all gun owners in the foot IMO with this type of bullshit. Cops are gun owners too, and they aren't generally stupid.
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deadshot2
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Standing around at a gun buyback to buy guns in WA State is now pretty much illegal unless you happen to be an FFL or you manage to bring one along with you.
I-594 put an end to that.
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PMB
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I don't think that there would be anything wrong (legally speaking) with offering to buy guns, striking up a deal and then heading over to an FFL to complete the deal(s).
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deadshot2
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PMB wrote: I don't think that there would be anything wrong (legally speaking) with offering to buy guns, striking up a deal and then heading over to an FFL to complete the deal(s). If one was to do it that way I agree. Like I asked once before, how many firearms would anyone guess have been "transferred without benefit of FFL" since 594 passed? A law that criminalizes an otherwise legal act, the sale or trade of a legal firearm among two citizens who can legally possess firearms. I hope everyone realizes that the only way 594 can be enforced will be "registration". Just like vehicles, all transfers will be recorded with old and new owner's names, with the new owner being issued a "registration certificate" for each legally owned firearm. Just wait and see how long it will take for this to happen in our society that is becoming more and more dominated by millennials. This is the first year for any of them to vote and so far it looks like they are falling into the anti-gun side of politics. Few of them hunt and even fewer go to gun ranges to target shoot. Lots are becoming politically active.
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snozzberries
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TechnoWeenie wrote: This, is why we need to use force to resist unawful arrests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arr ... ful_arrest
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TechnoWeenie
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WA courts ruled you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest, unless excessive force is used..... Which is bullshit, because ANY FORCE in an unlawful arrest is per se excessive, as it's not lawful. That's like saying you can't resist cops kicking down your door without a search warrant, unless they're presenting a threat... Quote: State v. Valentine, 132 Wn.2d 1, 935 P.2d 1294 (1997). In Valentine, the Supreme Court limited the common law right of resistance to an unlawful arrest, so that it can be invoked only when the person being arrested faces physical injury: In sum, we hold that, although a person who is being unlawfully arrested has a right … to use reasonable and proportional force to resist an attempt to inflict injury on him or her during the course of an arrest, that person may not use force against the arresting officers if he or she is faced only with a loss of freedom.
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PMB
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TechnoWeenie wrote: WA courts ruled you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest, unless excessive force is used..... Which is bullshit, because ANY FORCE in an unlawful arrest is per se excessive, as it's not lawful. Please share your definition of an unlawful arrest.
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TechnoWeenie
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PMB wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WA courts ruled you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest, unless excessive force is used..... Which is bullshit, because ANY FORCE in an unlawful arrest is per se excessive, as it's not lawful. Please share your definition of an unlawful arrest. An arrest made without lawful authority, including arrests made based on law that are in violation of the constitution, and arrests made in bad faith knowing the law doesn't apply to that situation but trying to shoehorn it to fit, to penalize someone. 'we don't like what you're doing, and we don't care how we do it, but we will find a way to stop you'....is jack booted thuggery at the highest level. In WA, an officer is not supposed to be able to arrest someone for a misdemeanor unless they have a warrant or the officer witnessed the crime... Generally speaking... A law that was supposed to err on the side of freedom versus gov't intrusion..
_________________NO DISASSEMBLE!Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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mcyclonegt
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deadshot2 wrote: Standing around at a gun buyback to buy guns in WA State is now pretty much illegal unless you happen to be an FFL or you manage to bring one along with you.
I-594 put an end to that. Illegal for the seller, not the buyer from what I understand.
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mcyclonegt
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TechnoWeenie wrote: PMB wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WA courts ruled you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest, unless excessive force is used..... Which is bullshit, because ANY FORCE in an unlawful arrest is per se excessive, as it's not lawful. Please share your definition of an unlawful arrest. An arrest made without lawful authority, including arrests made based on law that are in violation of the constitution, and arrests made in bad faith knowing the law doesn't apply to that situation but trying to shoehorn it to fit, to penalize someone. 'we don't like what you're doing, and we don't care how we do it, but we will find a way to stop you'....is jack booted thuggery at the highest level. In WA, an officer is not supposed to be able to arrest someone for a misdemeanor unless they have a warrant or the officer witnessed the crime... Generally speaking... A law that was supposed to err on the side of freedom versus gov't intrusion.. While I agree with you, this is how you end up in a morgue.
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TechnoWeenie
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mcyclonegt wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: PMB wrote: TechnoWeenie wrote: WA courts ruled you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest, unless excessive force is used..... Which is bullshit, because ANY FORCE in an unlawful arrest is per se excessive, as it's not lawful. Please share your definition of an unlawful arrest. An arrest made without lawful authority, including arrests made based on law that are in violation of the constitution, and arrests made in bad faith knowing the law doesn't apply to that situation but trying to shoehorn it to fit, to penalize someone. 'we don't like what you're doing, and we don't care how we do it, but we will find a way to stop you'....is jack booted thuggery at the highest level. In WA, an officer is not supposed to be able to arrest someone for a misdemeanor unless they have a warrant or the officer witnessed the crime... Generally speaking... A law that was supposed to err on the side of freedom versus gov't intrusion.. While I agree with you, this is how you end up in a morgue. Yep. There's no such thing as resisting 'just a little'...
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