And that's just the ones they know about.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... households

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more,
confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Liberals will look at you with a straight face and say "This NEVER happens".

Source does not define "welfare" so, hard to discuss seriously.
100% of U.S. Citizens who die each year drank water in the 5 days defore they died. So?
Source notes ... "often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children..." so, the *children* are U.S. Citizens, right?

I would believe that stat. When I worked in Seattle the lines at all the food banks were immigrants. There is a tone of low income housing with mostly non English speaking immigrants. I was amazed at how many elderly people were at these places. The young people worked, but the parents and grand parents lived with them and claimed welfare.

Let's see...a bunch of people who are poor in their country come to America, The Land of Opportunity, and are now poor here, use programs that are designed to help people who are poor.


Is it more the idea that people are coming to America and are leaching off the system? Or that money should be spent on US citizens first? Or is it more we need to ditch the system and people will figure it out like they do in other countries?

I wonder what the welfare system would have looked like right after slavery was abolished. I think there are still families impacted by that today and are on welfare as a result. Tough to fix your social status over night. But that is a bit of an off topic conversation.

I'm always amazed at what people don't know or understand in how these things work. Of course, they're getting benefits - with US born kids or not. A few years ago, some Congressman got into trouble for yelling "you lie" at Obama over healthcare. Bunch of back and forth about whether illegals were (or would be) getting free healthcare.

Well, they do.

While everyone is distracted by the whole "single payer" or "everyone deserves free healthcare" arguments, I'll tell you first hand, they're lying to you. Somehow, they just ignore this $9.6 Billion expenditure like it somehow doesn't exist. And I've yet to hear anyone bring it up when discussing this stuff.

Everyone in this country - including illegals - can get free (or nearly free) healthcare. The US government funds it through HHS. If you don't believe me, here in Seattle you can call Country Doctor (https://countrydoctor.org/country-docto ... ty-clinic/) or SeaMar (http://www.seamar.org/index.html) and schedule an appointment. Clinics like these are in every State and all are required by Federal Law to operate on a sliding fee schedule based on your "reported" income. Report no income and there's no fee - just tell them you don't have any cash on you right now. They may give you a bill, but they'll never send it to collections. If you have income and insurance, you report it - pay your co-pay and they bill your insurer and you're done.

From the SeaMar website:

Patients will be asked to pay a fee at the time of visit, which varies depending on your sliding fee scale status determination and varies per medical, dental or behavioral health department. Additional charges or fees not paid at time of visit, if owed, will be billed to you with eligible discounts applied. Sea Mar provides all services regardless of a patient’s ability to pay.

I promise you, they won't ask your citizenship and in some locations, if you're an English only speaker, you may have a hard time. I have visited clinics (I'll not say when or where) on business where the front desk had to find someone who could speak English for me to talk to before I could get in. I've had colleagues tell me the same thing about other locations across the country.

Its never what you know that's the problem. Its what you don't know.

Look into the meaning of "The Welfare State" and its history.
I've posted up bunches of links through the years.

We will not get out of this swirling system until the USA turns into something like India, breaks and people wake up, or we abolish The Welfare State.

Welfare started out meaning something good and kind. Now it has turned into our bane due to human nature.