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Friendly fire....too sad
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Site Supporter   Location: Downtown Newcastle Joined: Sat Mar 5, 2016 Posts: 3450 Real Name: Traut 
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_________________ I always thought growing old would take a lot longer..... So, when does that "Old enough to know better" shit kick in??? I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:29 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18474 Real Name: Johnny 5
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LOL.
Steve took too much joy in pointing out the repost. In my defense, there was no thread when I looked, but I was posting from my phone, which takes FOREVER to copy links and write a full post. Quote: So, the deputy killed at the Thousand Oaks bar shooting? friendly fire. He was struck 5 times by the suspect, and would have survived, according to the coroner's report. What killed him was the 5.56 round that hit his heart, fired by a CHP officer. https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html Quote: Seriously blaming cops here? wow. Uhhh.... who fired the fatal shot again? Who didn't make sure they had the right target? Let me shoot at a bad guy and accidentally kill a cop, then tell me whose fault it is... _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:39 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Can't say Joined: Sun Sep 7, 2014 Posts: 8134
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Fog of war and a chaotic gun fight. I'll trust the decision making of the LEOs here in handling it.
HOWEVER - file this one away in the rare/unfortunate event you are ever in a SD situation and fire an errant shot that harms someone else. I'd have my lawyers present this precedent to the DA if he's considering charges, and to any Judge/Jury in a trial.... _________________ I defend the 2A. US Army Combat Veteran and Paratrooper: OIF Veteran. BSM and MSM recipient. NRA Lifetime. Entertainment purposes only. I'm a lawyer, but have not offered you legal advice. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:29 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: NE WA Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2011 Posts: 5495 Real Name: The Dude
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I'm kind of with TW on this one.
Civilian, legally carrying, shoots BG and a police officer...negligent homicide at best. Police officer...whoops, things like this happen when the guns start a-blazin'. Don't get me wrong, the latter is the right response, but it's not evenly applied. Yes, I voted against I-940. _________________ "Wherever you go, there you are." |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:36 pm |
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Site Admin   Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52068 Real Name: Steve
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TechnoWeenie wrote: Steve took too much joy in pointing out the repost.  I did NOT!  _________________ Steve Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation Patriot & Life Member, Gun Owners of America Life Member, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Legal Action Supporter, Firearms Policy Coalition Member, NAGR/NFGR Please support the organizations that support all of us. Leave it cleaner than you found it. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18474 Real Name: Johnny 5
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California cops have killed 3 innocent people in as many months, right?
_________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:36 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lake Stevens Joined: Fri Jan 3, 2014 Posts: 6218 Real Name: Paris
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hkcavalier wrote: I'm kind of with TW on this one. Civilian, legally carrying, shoots BG and a police officer...negligent homicide at best. Police officer...whoops, things like this happen when the guns start a-blazin'. Don't get me wrong, the latter is the right response, but it's not evenly applied. Yes, I voted against I-940. And that really is the point. Kind of liket he mess in the other Washington. This two tiered justice just plain needs to stop _________________ Paris You can never be too prepared. Consider the ant thou sluggard. Proverbs 27:12 -- “A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.” Need Long term Food or Survival Supplies, I have extras, Grab the Supplies_Available.pdf. Prices Quoted are close to my actual cost: https://backupcomputing.workplace.datto.com/filelink/6af06-883bf7e-31d469c0e1-2 Link corrected 1/30/2021. The prudent Wagunner trains and prepares to defend themselves and their families, friends, and neighbors. They also are prepared to feed, shelter, and provide aid as well. Danger is coming and may already be here, how prepared are you? Click the link above for lots of good info to get started. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:15 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8285
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Last edited by CQBgopher on Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:15 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:51 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Burlington Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 Posts: 5999 Real Name: Kyle
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dan360 wrote: Professionals should be held to a higher standard, period. If having a CDL means you can't defer a minor traffic ticket in your personal vehicle, being an active police officer should mean negligent use of a firearm, even in the 'heat of battle', should merit appropriate punishment. Unions are good, though. Honest question, is your union comment sarcastic or not? From past conversations I just can't be sure as I know your stance on employment by unions in relations to your person. _________________ Looking for: S&W Schofield 2x (.38/357) Coonan 1911 Nemo Omen JM Marlin 39M Tikka T3 Tactical(.308) BAR(.308) |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:31 pm |
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In Memoriam Joined: Wed Mar 6, 2013 Posts: 12018
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Damn, what a shitty way for that to go down.
The pain that the still living LEO has to carry with him for the rest of this life, and the loss for the family of the dead officer. Honestly, I feel in this situation the officer that killed the other officer in the heat of battle will self-punish much harder than anything that society can do to him. I expect. I also agree that there should be no difference at ALL between a LEO and a non-LEO in the similar situation. You can call it accidental or negligent, but I think accidental is the more correct word here. It surely was not intentional. Non-LEOs should also not be charged if the circumstances are similar. Someone can point out 100 ways that I am wrong about this... I'm okay with that. The LEO was engaging in a shootout with a bad guy. I've been a lot of quite stressful events and circumstances, but I've never been in a bona fide shootout, and I expect that you can't get much more stressful than that. |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:58 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: WA/MT Joined: Thu Sep 6, 2012 Posts: 8285
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| Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:49 pm |
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Site Supporter Location: Nova Laboratories Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 Posts: 18474 Real Name: Johnny 5
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people on FB are saying the officer 'fell into' the path of the bullet the CHP officer fired.
That's not how that works... but apparently physics and math won't change people's minds. _________________ NO DISASSEMBLE! Thomas Paine wrote: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." |
| Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 pm |
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Site Supporter  Location: Renton Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2015 Posts: 2175
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leadcounsel wrote: HOWEVER - file this one away in the rare/unfortunate event you are ever in a SD situation and fire an errant shot that harms someone else. I'd have my lawyers present this precedent to the DA if he's considering charges, and to any Judge/Jury in a trial.... LD just round about gave out some legal advice. I hope none of us ever have to use it. I feel for the CHP and the officer's family. Had to suck knowing this was friendly fire. Similar to the officer in Kent laying out spike strips. _________________ Reloading is easy, it's growing back fingers that's tough. Studying for my Liberal Arts degree at Evergreen College. YouTube taught me, just like everybody else. |
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