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snozzberries
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There is so much talk about The Wall, but I wonder if it's the best solution. What are we trying to achieve? Would mandatory E-verify be better? Require it for every employer, for every employee. Require employers to re-run it every year. Violations are a $100,000 per employee per year fine. Would anybody hire an illegal that snuck into the country? Would anybody hire an illegal that over-stayed their visa? Would the desire to sneak across the southern border still exist? Would we even need a wall? Which would you prefer? And before anybody says it: 
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:16 pm |
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NWGunner
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What would you prefer, and why?
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:18 pm |
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snozzberries
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NWGunner wrote: What would you prefer, and why? I'm not sure. I've been thinking recently that e-verify might be more useful. It would reduce the desire of people to cross the border. No more "Just sneak in and make a better life for yourself." But do I really need papers to get a job and work for somebody? Next up you need to carry them with you everywhere. The government can fuck right off. Will a wall stop drugs/terrorists? e-verify won't. What is the purpose of the wall?
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:22 pm |
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Free Boer
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The wall will be much easier to enforce. E-Verify only works if every employer in the country complies, which a lot do not. As long as it's possible to work for cash under the table, employers and employees will do so to avoid taxes and E-Verify, which allows the employee to work and remain "in the shadows" so to speak.
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:28 pm |
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leadcounsel
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Um. Both. It's simple. The cost is extremely low.
Border security is not 1 item. It's a coherent conjunction of inter-laced security.
Make it harder to get here - walls, drones, border guards, entry checkpoints, etc.
Make it harder to stay here - remove welfare and financial incentives, cash employment, etc.
Make it less desirable to stay - criminal penalties and deportation.
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:33 pm |
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Ace
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As far as I know any legit employer has to run e verify on every new employee before hiring them. The problem arises when an illegal alien uses a stolen ID to get a job.
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:21 pm |
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jukk0u
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leadcounsel wrote: Um. Both. It's simple. The cost is extremely low.
Border security is not 1 item. It's a coherent conjunction of inter-laced security.
Make it harder to get here - walls, drones, border guards, entry checkpoints, etc.
Make it harder to stay here - remove welfare and financial incentives, cash employment, etc.
Make it less desirable to stay - criminal penalties and deportation. Those penalties need to be painful for those that knowingly employ that labor, too.
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:36 pm |
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cmica
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jukk0u wrote: leadcounsel wrote: Um. Both. It's simple. The cost is extremely low.
Border security is not 1 item. It's a coherent conjunction of inter-laced security.
Make it harder to get here - walls, drones, border guards, entry checkpoints, etc.
Make it harder to stay here - remove welfare and financial incentives, cash employment, etc.
Make it less desirable to stay - criminal penalties and deportation. Those penalties need to be painful for those that knowingly employ that labor, too. inmates...put their ass to work!! $1 an hr I don't give no crap... play cards/ watch tv f*ck no your not there for playtime, we need chain gangs again _________________
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:41 pm |
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gscott
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Single strand barbed wire ain't cutting it. Can you crawl under an E-Verify?
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| Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:58 pm |
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