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NICS Check Question
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 Location: WA State Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2021 Posts: 2 
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I recently started to purchase my first handgun and submitted the NICS paperwork to the FFL. It has been 3, almost 4 weeks since, so I called to check yesterday with the FFL and was just told there was no response yet. What’s the average time for this or why this may be?
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| Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 am |
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 Site Supporter   Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21292 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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10 business days from date of purchase/submission to NICS and the right retailer should release. If you picked the wrong retailer their corporate policies may confound that timeline (don't use them again).
_________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:40 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Lynnwood/Bothell Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 Posts: 8565 Real Name: Curtis
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From a recent FacePlant post by Sporting Systems (FFL out of Vancouver, WA):
https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsystems/posts/4228743667187179 Quote: Heads up Washington - last night we were informed that the state has installed a new background check system for Law Enforcement Agencies to perform background checks for handguns and semi automatic rifles. It was supposed to be a ONE day installation cycle. We are quickly approaching a week where LE agencies have been totally UNABLE to process CPLs OR firearms checks. This is the precursor to the State's new Single Point of Contact system that is supposed to be in place next year. This means that dealer will no longer do ANY NICS background checks at all and we'll be completely dependent on the state's system. So far, the states IT track record is abysmal. A new DOL system a few years ago was an epic failure, didn't work and cost way more than it was supposed to. The State's Firearm Transfer system currently managed by the DOL is as stable as Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen on a double date at Pablo Escobar's place. For every ONE application we try to submit, we have to crash the system 2-3 times before it accepts the submission. How did the State Unemployment office handle their IT issue with pandemic funding? They opened the flood gates to fraud and lost hundreds of millions of dollars. Anyone fired over that? Anyone promoted over that? (yup) The DOL was tasked with developing a new system under 1639. They reached out to dealers for comments and feedback. We spent 3 hours with the DOL project team at our shop, discussing stability, efficiency, technology interface and security. They at least engaged the commercial market and wanted to service their clientele, you, the Washington citizens. Under SB 2467 the single point of contact system was passed in the 2020 legislative session. They have a panel of 6 advisors, including one FFL and a citizen at large. The FFL selected has not reached out to any other FFL's that I'm aware of. I believe she is a buyer for a Big Box retailer, and not a shop operator. I was asked to join the States advisory board by several organizations, but was not selected. Perhaps that was a wise decision because I would have expected accountability, pushed for a system that was reliable, efficient and provided the fastest possible service for Washington citizens and the lowest amount of hassle for the FFLs. I have shared this information with several state legislators, the NSSF, NRA and SAF. I will be testifying in a Senate Law and Justice meeting this Wednesday and will aggressively highlight this topic. Sharing the facts of the issue, how it can impact citizens rights, and endanger the safety and civil rights of Washingtonians. So, if checks are taking longer than normal, now you know why. I'm sure its temporary, but the precedent set is a big one. Have a great weekend, carry on. |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:45 am |
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Site Supporter / FFL Dealer  Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8371
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Did you fill out a Washington state Firearms Transfer Application?
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| Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:48 am |
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Site Supporter  Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17822 Real Name: Chuck
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Also if it goes past 30 days the 4473 expires and needs to be resubmitted.
_________________ "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson "Evil often triumphs, but never conquers." Joseph Roux |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:00 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Marysville Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 Posts: 811
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in equally stupid news i bought a pistol caliber rifle last week and was informed my background check came back 3 days later. i said great i can come get it today. they said no you have to wait until the 24th by law...... this state is trash.
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| Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:13 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21292 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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I don't care a whit what troubles they are having implementing their dubious policies nor suffer their apologies and equivocations for their failures. The RCW spells out the timeline to which they are required to observe:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.092 (1) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter and except for semiautomatic assault rifles under subsection (2) of this section, a licensed dealer may not deliver any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until the earlier of: (a) The results of all required background checks are known and the purchaser or transferee (i) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal or state law and (ii) does not have a voluntary waiver of firearm rights currently in effect; or (b) Ten business days have elapsed from the date the licensed dealer requested the background check. However, for sales and transfers of pistols if the purchaser or transferee does not have a valid permanent Washington driver's license or state identification card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous consecutive ninety days, then the time period in this subsection shall be extended from ten business days to sixty days. (2) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, a licensed dealer may not deliver a semiautomatic assault rifle to a purchaser or transferee until ten business days have elapsed from the date of the purchase application or, in the case of a transfer, ten business days have elapsed from the date a background check is initiated I imagine they shall use their crashed system to claim they have not yet "received" the request? I don't think so. "...from the date the licensed dealer requested the background check." _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:18 am |
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Location: WA State Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2021 Posts: 2
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I don't recall filling that out. They only had me fill out the 4473. The 30 day mark will be in 5 days. I'm going to call one more time today to see what I can do
dreadi wrote: Did you fill out a Washington state Firearms Transfer Application? BLACK HAMMER ARMS Type 07 Class 2 NFA Dealer http://www.blackhammerarms.com http://www.facebook.com/blackhammerarms https://www.instagram.com/blackhammerarms GLOCK Certified Armourer |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:18 am |
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Site Supporter Location: Lynnwood and at large Joined: Wed May 1, 2013 Posts: 21292 Real Name: Vick Lagina
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There's that pesky state form Dreadi refers to that is a necessary step; it is sent to your local LEA.
You better check up on that. The local gun store may have stepped on their dick if they missed having you sign that and sending it to the local LE. What shop did you use? _________________ “Finding ‘common ground’ with the thinking of evil men is a fool’s errand” ~ Herschel Smith "The “A return to First Principles in a Republic is sometimes caused by simple virtues of a single man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example. Before all else, be armed!” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli Láodòng zhèng zhūwèi zìyóu FJB Last edited by jukk0u on Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:00 am, edited 2 times in total. |
| Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:21 am |
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Site Admin   Location: Olympia, WA Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 38309 Real Name: Dan
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Who's the FFL, and what agency did they send it to (agency would be where do you live)
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| Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:50 am |
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Site Admin  Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 52067 Real Name: Steve
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