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usrifle
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shaggy wrote: Or just roll a bm59 and dont get garand thumb at all....LOL!!! It's Italian, and it's not an M1A or a 30/06.....that's why.
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shaggy
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usrifle wrote: shaggy wrote: Or just roll a bm59 and dont get garand thumb at all....LOL!!! It's Italian, and it's not an M1A or a 30/06.....that's why. it is almost all garand parts, they just built a m14 on the cheap. Btw i'm biased i have a bm59c and bm59e kit waiting a rebuild with a breda and beretta receiver. I just need to get my projects in order
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corpsman
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True enough, although I would prefer a M14. The BM59 is, after all, a Garand. Still, I am reluctant to give up the rate of fire advantage. I find load bearing for ten 20 round mags of .308 a lot less comfortable than packing 25 embloc clips. Space and mass. Am looking at converting a Springfield from early 1941 to .308 due to ammo availability issues. This rifle came to me significantly modified so more won't matter. Good aspect of the M14 types is the ease of mounting a wide range of optics.
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corpsman
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shaggy wrote: usrifle wrote: shaggy wrote: Or just roll a bm59 and dont get garand thumb at all....LOL!!! It's Italian, and it's not an M1A or a 30/06.....that's why. it is almost all garand parts, they just built a m14 on the cheap. Btw i'm biased i have a bm59c and bm59e kit waiting a rebuild with a breda and beretta receiver. I just need to get my projects in order I was told by old Army armorer that the Italian Garands had the best QA of any of the post-WW2 Garands. My Fowler has a Breda receiver with Danish ordnance markings.
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shaggy
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corpsman wrote: My Fowler has a Breda receiver with Danish ordnance markings. Both of mine are danish marked too, i'm on the fence. It's a shame i dont re-garand them, but an italian receiver bm59 sounds so sweet.
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usrifle
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Corpsman...you mentioned a .308 Garand. I had one once, it a simple chamber insert rifle and ran like a top. Not the most desirable way to convert one, but I bought it that way and never had any trouble with it. Probably put a thousand rounds through it.
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corpsman
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usrifle wrote: Corpsman...you mentioned a .308 Garand. I had one once, it a simple chamber insert rifle and ran like a top. Not the most desirable way to convert one, but I bought it that way and never had any trouble with it. Probably put a thousand rounds through it. The Navy converted about 75,000 Garands to .308 in the late 50's. Initially the insert was used, and in most cases, successfully. There were enough failures to go to barrel swaps.
_________________ "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert Heinlein
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corpsman
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shaggy wrote: corpsman wrote: My Fowler has a Breda receiver with Danish ordnance markings. Both of mine are danish marked too, i'm on the fence. It's a shame i dont re-garand them, but an italian receiver bm59 sounds so sweet. Way I see it, the brand or make of a receiver determines the rifles identity. The Beretta and Breda receivers were Garands, thus the BM rifles are Garands. Will likely send my rifle to Tim Shufflin of Shuff's Parkerizing. http://shuffsparkerizing.com/ Shufflin does a BM like conversion that uses M14 magazines.
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corpsman
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A Shuff's conversion.
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shaggy
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corpsman wrote: Way I see it, the brand or make of a receiver determines the rifles identity. The Beretta and Breda receivers were Garands, thus the BM rifles are Garands. Will likely send my rifle to Tim Shufflin of Shuff's Parkerizing. http://shuffsparkerizing.com/ Shufflin does a BM like conversion that uses M14 magazines. I bit the bullet and bought a stack of bm59 mags, i'll probably send it to him too, but i need to find all the parts the GF moved around, also i need to figure out if i can convert a virgin PB marked stock to bm59 pattern corpsman wrote: The Navy converted about 75,000 Garands to .308 in the late 50's. Initially the insert was used, and in most cases, successfully. There were enough failures to go to barrel swaps. The italians shortened the barrel and rechambered it on their conversions
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corpsman
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shaggy wrote: corpsman wrote: Way I see it, the brand or make of a receiver determines the rifles identity. The Beretta and Breda receivers were Garands, thus the BM rifles are Garands. Will likely send my rifle to Tim Shufflin of Shuff's Parkerizing. http://shuffsparkerizing.com/ Shufflin does a BM like conversion that uses M14 magazines. I bit the bullet and bought a stack of bm59 mags, i'll probably send it to him too, but i need to find all the parts the GF moved around, also i need to figure out if i can convert a virgin PB marked stock to bm59 pattern corpsman wrote: The Navy converted about 75,000 Garands to .308 in the late 50's. Initially the insert was used, and in most cases, successfully. There were enough failures to go to barrel swaps. The italians shortened the barrel and rechambered it on their conversions Have not heard of Italian shorter barrels. Was this on standard Garands or the BM rifles? In any case, suggest you do a phone consult with Tim Shufflin, particularly regarding the Italian receivers. He is hard nosed but fair, and has a good rep.
_________________ "I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert Heinlein
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corpsman
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This is interesting. The ballistics are a surprise. 6.8x51 or .277Sig Fury. New US armed forces main battle rifle. https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/blog/277-sig-fury-6-8-51-guide.htmlI strongly suspect these rounds would fit a Garand embloc clip like .308 Win does. Barrel swap and a Schuster adjustable gas valve. There is good reason to be concerned about the massive pressure this round produces on a receiver. However, there is a Garand in Tacoma that fires the .458 Magnum with no evident negative effect on the receiver. Someday.
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shaggy
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corpsman wrote: Have not heard of Italian shorter barrels. Was this on standard Garands or the BM rifles? In any case, suggest you do a phone consult with Tim Shufflin, particularly regarding the Italian receivers. He is hard nosed but fair, and has a good rep.
I'm seeing a bunch of people talking about both with converted barrels, i cant really find a good article on it though. https://lsbauctions.com/21216/italian-b ... e-1967-cr/
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corpsman
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shaggy wrote: corpsman wrote: Have not heard of Italian shorter barrels. Was this on standard Garands or the BM rifles? In any case, suggest you do a phone consult with Tim Shufflin, particularly regarding the Italian receivers. He is hard nosed but fair, and has a good rep.
I'm seeing a bunch of people talking about both with converted barrels, i cant really find a good article on it though. https://lsbauctions.com/21216/italian-b ... e-1967-cr/Interesting article. Perhaps the shorter barrel idea is addressed as the BM conversions were accomplished using 30-06 barrels with 1/2" removed from the chamber end and bored for .308.
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shaggy
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corpsman wrote: shaggy wrote: corpsman wrote: Have not heard of Italian shorter barrels. Was this on standard Garands or the BM rifles? In any case, suggest you do a phone consult with Tim Shufflin, particularly regarding the Italian receivers. He is hard nosed but fair, and has a good rep.
I'm seeing a bunch of people talking about both with converted barrels, i cant really find a good article on it though. That's the way i understand it, but i just cant find anything other than a ton of thread posts that say that Come to think about it, i have atleast one torch cut bm59 receiver and barrel that i should look at.
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