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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8328
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As an unlicensed person shipping a firearm with UPS you’re required to declare it and ship it from a UPS hub. Or you could choose not to follow the process and potentially get a visit from the ATF. Here we have an example of what happens when you don’t follow the process. A gun gets left on the porch, no signature required.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:16 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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that happens all the time
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:19 pm |
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MadPick
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Location: Renton, WA Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2011 Posts: 51919
Real Name: Steve
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I don’t think that notifying UPS affects whether it gets left on the porch ... does it?
As far as I know, that is entirely driven by the request to have a signature upon delivery.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:53 pm |
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PW45
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Location: Maple Valley Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 Posts: 844
Real Name: PW
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MadPick wrote: I don’t think that notifying UPS affects whether it gets left on the porch ... does it?
As far as I know, that is entirely driven by the request to have a signature upon delivery. I would take Dreadi's knowledge on this one
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:15 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11045
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Does that meet the new safe storage requirements?
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:52 pm |
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TwizDD
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Location: Eatonville Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 Posts: 895
Real Name: Tony
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Happens alot to home based FFL's. I know for a fact that Fedex had done it to an FFL that used to frequent this forum more than once. And the firearms were coming from Distributors, not non FFL holders.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:04 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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if its addressed to a business , ups requires a signature.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:51 pm |
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RocketScott
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Location: Kentucky Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 Posts: 11045
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Ops wrote: if its addressed to a business , ups requires a signature. Not true. I get stuff delivered to Rocket Scott LLC all the time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:53 pm |
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Ops
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Location: Piece/Clallam Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 Posts: 10688
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when ever we scan and select business it requires a signature. they must not select business on the handheld when dropping it off
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:18 pm |
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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8328
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Here's the dea MadPick wrote: I don’t think that notifying UPS affects whether it gets left on the porch ... does it?
As far as I know, that is entirely driven by the request to have a signature upon delivery. Yes, it does. Quote: The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun or a firearm suppressor, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery. https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/firearms.pageAlso, had the seller declared it, it would have shipped from a hub. This items was shipped from a UPS Store.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:43 pm |
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dreadi
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Location: Tacoma, Washington Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 Posts: 8328
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TwizDD wrote: Happens alot to home based FFL's. I know for a fact that Fedex had done it to an FFL that used to frequent this forum more than once. And the firearms were coming from Distributors, not non FFL holders. Depending on the shipper and method used, a signature may not be required from FFL to FFL. There's no law requiring it so it's up the carrier to set and enforce the policy.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:45 pm |
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Traut
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Location: Downtown Newcastle Joined: Sat Mar 5, 2016 Posts: 3440
Real Name: Traut
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Looks like you need a new screen.
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:18 am |
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Guntrader
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Location: Mukilteoish Joined: Sat Mar 26, 2011 Posts: 11595
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I've had a UPS driver hand my under 18 kids a package that said 'adult signature required'. But it was around Christmas and they use a lot of temps then.
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:30 am |
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golddigger14s
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Location: Faxon, OK Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2011 Posts: 17806
Real Name: Chuck
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I've noticed a big difference in the delivery behavior between WA, and OK. In Wa they don't give a rats ass, and just toss it on the porch. Knock, eh maybe. Since I'v been in OK I've had a lot of stuff ordered, and they either leave a note saying they will try again or take it to the office.
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:47 am |
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beckdw
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Location: Tri -Cities Joined: Thu May 23, 2013 Posts: 2798
Real Name: David
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I had a ton (not literally) of black powder just left on my porch, even though it said adult signature required. I was home so I know they didn't even ring the doorbell.
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:57 pm |
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