Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:30 pm
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:16 pm
EmbraceTheEdge wrote:So if 10 days actually equals 14 days then does 20 days equal 28?
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:11 am
chunkyhenry wrote:Alright before this thread completely de-rails here's my list of shops I KNOW will transfer after 10 days and NOT wait until they get a proceed:
Fall City Firearms (Fall City) 10 days for all customers
Brad's Guns (Lake Tapps) 10 for returning customers
Precise Shooter (Lynnwood) 10 days for all customers
West Coast Armory (Bellevue) 10 days for all customers
Cardinal Northwest LLC (Algona) 10 days for all customers
This data is actually useful and I'd love to get it up to date on the current FFL list stickies. Can anyone chime in with more confirmed FFLs? I'll be reaching out to mine (Waffenfabrik) today.
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:06 pm
Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:40 pm
RadioactiveSourdough wrote:chunkyhenry wrote:Alright before this thread completely de-rails here's my list of shops I KNOW will transfer after 10 days and NOT wait until they get a proceed:
Fall City Firearms (Fall City) 10 days for all customers
Brad's Guns (Lake Tapps) 10 for returning customers
Precise Shooter (Lynnwood) 10 days for all customers
West Coast Armory (Bellevue) 10 days for all customers
Cardinal Northwest LLC (Algona) 10 business days for all customers, per the law.
This data is actually useful and I'd love to get it up to date on the current FFL list stickies. Can anyone chime in with more confirmed FFLs? I'll be reaching out to mine (Waffenfabrik) today.
Manhattan Project Armory (Richland) 10 days for all customers
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:21 pm
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:33 am
chunkyhenry wrote:Alright before this thread completely de-rails here's my list of shops I KNOW will transfer after 10 days and NOT wait until they get a proceed:
Fall City Firearms (Fall City) 10 days for all customers
Brad's Guns (Lake Tapps) 10 for returning customers
Precise Shooter (Lynnwood) 10 days for all customers
West Coast Armory (Bellevue) 10 days for all customers
Manhattan Project Armory (Richland) 10 days for all customers
Cardinal Northwest LLC (Algona) 10 business days for all customers, per the law.
2nd Amendment Industries (Bellevue) 10 business days for all customers
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:37 pm
Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:39 am
Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:03 pm
scrid2000 wrote:With the caveat that these were not conversations with the owners of the stores:
Big Js in Orting: Will transfer after 10 days.
MD Firearms in Tacoma (under Bullseye): Will wait until receiving a proceed. They also said the form for requesting a background check doesn't list receivers, so they won't be able to sell receivers (I have no clue if that's the case or not).
Surplus Ammo and Arms in Tacoma: Will wait until receiving a proceed.
Will post more when/if I have more.
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:02 pm
Pvanderzee wrote:Another good time to remind folks that receivers aren't firearms according to state law. If you can't fire a round with it, it isn't a firearm of any sorts under WA state RCW's. It may be the reason why they aren't listed on the form. Which means 594 does not apply to receivers, and, according to my 3 months of community college in an entirely unrelated field, neither does 1639. Pass em around like bottle of jack. Who cares?
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:35 pm
Pvanderzee wrote:Another good time to remind folks that receivers aren't firearms according to state law. If you can't fire a round with it, it isn't a firearm of any sorts under WA state RCW's. It may be the reason why they aren't listed on the form. Which means 594 does not apply to receivers, and, according to my 3 months of community college in an entirely unrelated field, neither does 1639. Pass em around like bottle of jack. Who cares?
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:42 pm
dunno wrote: Do you mean private party transfers only?
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:06 pm
dunno wrote:Pvanderzee wrote:Another good time to remind folks that receivers aren't firearms according to state law. If you can't fire a round with it, it isn't a firearm of any sorts under WA state RCW's. It may be the reason why they aren't listed on the form. Which means 594 does not apply to receivers, and, according to my 3 months of community college in an entirely unrelated field, neither does 1639. Pass em around like bottle of jack. Who cares?
Every stripped lower I’ve purchased from every FFL here has been processed like a pistol. NICS plus CPL check. 1639 obviously doesn’t apply because a stripped lower isn’t a semi auto (nothing cycling rounds) rifle (no stock and rifled barrel), but every other restriction does, or at least all of the half dozen or so FFLs from which I’ve purchased stripped lowers think they do.
If you have some legal gymnastics that would allow stripped lowers to circumvent anything, I would love to hear about it. Do you mean private party transfers only?
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:20 am
Pvanderzee wrote:If your FFL is running lowers as pistols, they are doing it wrong. If there is no bore, it can't be anything except "other" on a 4473, regardless of furniture. Even a Glock receiver is an "other" until it gets a slide and barrel. A "chamber" and "bore" are integral parts of the federal definition of a pistol. No barrel means no bore or chamber. They still get a check because all firearms sold by dealers get a 4473. That's federal law, and a lower is still a firearm under federal definitions. Federal definitions have receivers specifically mentioned because otherwise they wouldn't fit. State definitions have no such wording and, as such, state laws referencing firearms don't include receivers, as they reference state definitions, not federal definitions. So yes, private party transfers of receivers are not subject to 594, and the new form that came with 1639 likely doesn't include receivers because of the reason stated above.
ex:
WA state definition of 'firearm', R.C.W. 9.41.010: "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder. "Firearm" does not include a flare gun or other pyrotechnic visual distress signaling device, or a powder-actuated tool or other device designed solely to be used for construction purposes.
GCA (federal) definition of 'firearm':
1. Any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
2. The frame or receiver of any such weapon;
3. Any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
4. Any destructive device.
Part in bold is what I'm referring to. Nothing of the sort exists in the above state RCW, which contains definitions for the different kinds of firearms.