i want to add a Ar10 to my collection. want to get a complete rifle. i have not bought a semi rifle in a while so curious what are the pitfalls of buying a complete rifle. i did do a 1639 class and got the piece of paper.

people have told me that buying one now allows the police to enter my residence to inspect it. is this true? do they need to see the 1639 paper? what other interesting things would buying a semi rifle now open me up too?

Thanks

You need to have the class, you'll pay an $18 fee when buying it, and you'll wait 10 business days before you can pick it up while local law enforcement does the background check. That check includes the mental health check, which they will allegedly (per the law) re-do every year.

That's it. No home inspections or any of that jazz.

FIFY

Also, WA state will know you bought it if you buy it complete (once they get around to processing the FTA form). If you buy just the lower receiver between now and July 2020, the state won't know about it.

Well, 10 days or “more than 10 days” depends on whether the dealer follows the RCW.

Can someone just throw a plug in the gas system?

I'm not sure I entirely fault the dealers anymore; I've been hearing that ATF is warning dealers not to proceed with transfers unless they have a NTN to record, but they're not always able to get those within the 10 days because the local PDs are holding up the process for one reason or another. So in an effort to stay in the good graces of ATF, dealers are holding longer than 10 days - in spite of the RCW - because the feds are telling them to. How much of this is true and how much isn't, I don't know; I'm only hearing what people tell me they're seeing & hearing.

Shaggy I am not sure it is that easy. Is the plug permanent? I have said before ARs should be sold in Washington with solid gas blocks as "straight pull rifles" A plug in the gas block may considered an attempt to circumvent the law. Also it would be cheaper to buy a real gas block afterwords rather than a "Washington gas block". Just stick a cheap cover over the gas hole until replaced by the correct part.

You said... "gas hole"

If you buy the rifle now then you will be stuck and not be able to pistol it. Best thing is to just get the lower since you just fill out a 4473 and it is called in and you most likely will leave with it and then can put the kit on.

I did Sir, and I stand by it!!!

Huh,

8 posts into pitfalls of buying an AR and the Governors name pops up...

Errrrr..

I guess it was 7 posts.

As far as the sleeve vs plug- My company has been using the sleeve for years for cali legal straight pull uppers and all of our I-1639 compliant rifles and the owner of I5 Guns in Olympia has filed patent paperwork on the gas block "plug". The sleeve is a solid option because there is absolutely no DI parts in place for the gun and the gas key is "necessary" for carrier alignment in the upper, so there is little to no SAR interpretation for the state (and we have the OK from them) and if I5 gets issued their patent (may be worth making a call to them for that status, as I haven't talked to them in a bit), it can be used for a solid defense from the state because it is a federally recognized mechanical patent (patents are a two way street. The feds use them all the time to determine intent and use them as a defense, so there is case law resulting from them being used that way). We charge $50 for the sleeve and I5 sells the plug for $25 but the real catch is that the guns need to be built or delivered to the dealer as a "straight pull" because a dealer that changes the action of a firearm is required to report it on their AFMER report and pay the appropriate federal excise tax (just like turning a semi-auto to full auto is "manufacturing", even though its the same gun, turning a semi-auto to bolt action requires the same AFMER reporting and taxes minus the NFA paperwork and on a gun that already exists).

Tired of pitfails?
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We have taken the steps to set up the Political Action Committee (PAC) #F1639. This is required to be compliant with Washington election law and prevent legal issues for the Initiative organizers. We will not seek individual donations to help cover the cost, as that's a huge administrative headache, this is our gift to the citizens of Washington. Our free online 1639 training class was the warm up gift.

We have printed 20,000 signature sheets, 17"x22", doubled sided as required by Washington law. If its anything other than that size, printed front and back, it will be REJECTED by the Secretary of State's office. The size is difficult and expensive to print.

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Northwest – Skagit Arms, Burlington Skagit Arms

Puget Sound North – Lynnwood Arms, Lynnwood Gun & Ammunition

Puget Sound Central – Rehv Arms, Covington Rehv Arms

Puget Sound East – West Coast Armory, Bellevue West Coast Armory Indoor Range

Puget Sound Mid South – Pistol Annie, Bonney Lake Pistol Annie's Jewelry & Pawn

Puget Sound South – Bullseye Indoor Range @bullseyeindoorrange

Peninsula – Freds Guns, Sequim FREDS Guns 2.0

Southwest – Sporting Systems, Vancouver Sporting Systems

South East – Talos Tactical, Tri Cities Talos Tactical, LLC

NorthEast – Sharpshooting Indoor Range, Spokane Sharp Shooting Indoor Range & Gun Shop

Central – Kittitas County Trading Post, Ellensburg

Places to Sign: (after Tuesday 10/29)

SOUTHWEST WA
Safefire, Camas
Limitless America, Washougal
Brimstone Gunsmithing - Camas
Clark Rifles, Vancouver
Brass Tack Muntions, Vancouver
English Pit Shoot Range, Vancouver
Jon Beagle Rifle Co, Vancouver.
MinuteMan Ammo, Carson
Jakewoods Pawn and Gun, Lyle
Gators Guns, Longview
Bob's, Longview
On Point, Longview
Pets & Pawn, Longview

Wes Knodel Gun Shows
Big Tops Guns Shows

LEWIS COUNTY REGION
The Man Cave, Centralia
Castle Guard Sports Centralia
East County Guns, Centralia
Fesselmas, Rochester
Star Exchange Pawn, Centralia
Centralia Rifle and Pistol club

GREATER PUGET SOUND REGION
Northwest Safe, Enumclaw
Lakewood Indoor Range, Lakewood
Cabela's, Lacey (weekend signature drive outside)
MKR Tactical, Gig Harbor
Tacoma Rifle and Pistol Club
Tacoma Sportsmans Club
West Coast Armory North
2A Industries, Bellevue
Wades Guns, Bellevue
Welchers, Federal Way
Surplus Arms and Ammo, Tacoma
Federal Way Discount Guns, Federal Way
Outdoor Emporium, Seattle's last gun shop!
Renton Fish & Game Club, Renton
Ben's Loans, Renton
Pantel Tactical, Renton
Champion Arms, Kent
Big Top Gun Shows
Marksman, Puyallup
Sportsmans Club, Puyallup
Brown Box Ammo, Puyallup
Washington Arms Collectors Show, Puyallup
South Ridge Arms, Edgewood
South Sound Guns, Olympia
Lakewood Indoor Range, Lakewood
Sound Loan and Pawn, Everett
Big J's, Orting
Vigil Tattoo, Graham
South Sound Guns, Lacey
Paul Bunyan, Puyallup
Mary's Pistols, Tacoma
Rainier Arms, Auburn
Brads Guns, Lake Tapps
Ponders Pawn, Lakewood

CENTRAL/SOUTHEAST WA
Bunker Firearms, Moses Lake
Tri State, Moses Lake
Fully Loaded, Moses Lake
Columbia Gun Rack, Tri cities
Ace Pawn and Loan, Kennewick
B & B Express Printing Kennewick
Columbia Gun Rack, Kennewick,
Ed & Moe's Pawn Shop, Kennewick
Hole in the Wall, Kennewick,
Ranch and Home, Pasco
Ranch and Home, Kennewick
The Bunker, Richland
J&L Produce, Richland
The Coffee Bean, Richland
Griggs, Richland
Brubaker Arms, Yakima
Old Mill Country Store, Yakima
Sportsmans, Walla Walla
123 Pawn, Walla Walla
H&H Pawn, Walla Walla
Blue Valley Meats, Walla Walla
Katsel Cut & Wrap, Dayton
Mr C's Smoke, Waitsburg
Pomeroy Gun Club
Walla Walla Gun Club
Waitsburg Gun Club
Best Way Pawn, Yakima
The Range, Yakima
UPS Store 6788, Yakima

SPOKANE AREA
Okanongan Arms, Okanongan
3 Aces, Spokane
Clarks, Colville
Red Bridge Farms. Kettle Falls
Hooked on Toys, Wenatchee
JTI, Colfax
King Arms, Colfax
Double Eagle Pawn (3 locations) Spokane region

NORTH PUGET SOUND
Miracle Pawn, Bellingham
Checkmate Pawn, Bellingham
Spectre Industries. Monroe
Everson Gunworks, Ferndale
Marysville Jewelry and Pawn, Marysville
Marysville Jewelry and Pawn, Smokey Point
Dakota Creek Guns, Bellingham,
McDaniels, Snohomish
Smokey Point Jewelry and Pawn
Norpoint Shooting Center
Gun Nation LLC
Pacific Indoor Tactical. Oak Harbor
Whidbey Arms, Clinton
Custer Rifle and Pistol Club, Custer
Skagit Shooting Range, Burlington
North Cascade Harley Davidson, Burlington
Marysville Rifle Club, Marysville
Pacific Armament, Marysville
Pawn Fathers , Everett,
Puget Sound Security, Marysville
Kesselrings, Burlington
Everson Gunworks, Ferndale
Dakota Creek Guns and Outfitters, Bellingham
Armagedon Arms, Monroe
All American Armory, Bow
Snohomish County Republican Party
Skagit Shoot Sports, Burlington
Smokey Point Jewelry and Pawn, Smokey Point
RBS Ammo, Burlington

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Each location will have petitions to sign, or to pick up copies for you to use, hopefully you will be able to register voters at these locations as well.

Ranges, gunshops, gunclubs, or other groups wanting to distribute signature sheets should pick up sheets at these locations. We will maintain a post of gun shops that have sheets available for distribution or signing. Sheets will not be mailed or shipped, the PDF won't be shared any longer either as too many wrong sized sheets are already in circulation, a tremendous waste of time and energy...as well as lost voters.

Please do not call, email or message these shops about information (its overwhelming), but follow their social feeds for information.

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Church services
Rallies
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Huh??? What's after July 2020? a ban on lowers? even 80% ones?

Yeah,

Lower transfer is not required to have rifle training etc....for now.

Apparently buy and do oldschool 4473 transfer, get a proceed and walk.

Buddy just bought a serial Lower from LGS.

Ill bet the caveat is it cant be previous built?

And as far as 80's go....read a post somewhere the other day where Brownells wont send 80's to Wa State.