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I'm still trying to wrap my head around carrying a gun that you KNOW doesn't function 100% reliably. If you can't carry a full magazine there is something wrong with your gun or your mag (or maybe ammo, but I bet it is gun or mag). Figure out the issue and fix it! Don't carry around a gun with a band-aid. Seems foolish.



I would always assume that your carry gun is going to be taken anytime you use it in a defense scenario and plan accordingly. I'm sure he will get it back pending the outcome of the investigation. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it seems to be the way things work in most departments.

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Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:31 pm
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That's why my EDC mags get alternating HP and hardball ammo - you just never know.

If you are worried about $1800 price tag versus your health, and possibly life. your priorities are screwed up.

Also, have a rifle nearby at all times.

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Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:33 pm
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SporkBoy wrote:
If you are worried about $1800 price tag versus your health, and possibly life. your priorities are screwed up.


I suggest a corollary:

If you are willing to spend $1800 on a defensive pistol without a good practical reason when you could spend $600 and get arguable better functionality/reliability your priorities might be screwed up.

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I would rather have a $500/600 glock or springfield and $1200/1300 worth of training than an $1800 pistol I cant load to capacity and no training.

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"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

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I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:47 pm
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The individual in this story sounds like someone who can probably make a pretty good defensive handgun choice and get that pistol to work when it's needed. They also have more than a few grand in training under their belt, I would assume, so there's that.

The gun didn't malfunction, the bear was stopped, the victim survived unscathed. Having a hard time seeing the problem here, other than he's being charged with some nonsensical "crime."

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The individual in this story sounds like someone who can probably make a pretty good defensive handgun choice and get that pistol to work when it's needed. They also have more than a few grand in training under their belt, I would assume, so there's that.

The gun didn't malfunction, the bear was stopped, the victim survived unscathed. Having a hard time seeing the problem here, other than he's being charged with some nonsensical "crime."

The problem is this jackass sunk $1800 into a Kimber!!!!! :bonghit:

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Sinus211 wrote:
mislabeled wrote:
The individual in this story sounds like someone who can probably make a pretty good defensive handgun choice and get that pistol to work when it's needed. They also have more than a few grand in training under their belt, I would assume, so there's that.

The gun didn't malfunction, the bear was stopped, the victim survived unscathed. Having a hard time seeing the problem here, other than he's being charged with some nonsensical "crime."

The problem is this jackass sunk $1800 into a Kimber!!!!! :bonghit:


Yeah. But, life's full of choices. And it is a (mostly) free country, for now. I wouldn't, but he did, thats up to him. I just find it odd.

Im pretty sure last I checked we are all entitled to our opinion and the expression of it same as he is entitled to his choices.

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Without penetration data, the pics aren't of much use.

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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
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cityslicker wrote:
I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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Sinus211 wrote:
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The individual in this story sounds like someone who can probably make a pretty good defensive handgun choice and get that pistol to work when it's needed. They also have more than a few grand in training under their belt, I would assume, so there's that.

The gun didn't malfunction, the bear was stopped, the victim survived unscathed. Having a hard time seeing the problem here, other than he's being charged with some nonsensical "crime."

The problem is this jackass sunk $1800 into a Kimber!!!!! :bonghit:


Yeah. But, life's full of choices. And it is a (mostly) free country, for now. I wouldn't, but he did, thats up to him.

It ought to be criminal.

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jdhbulseye wrote:
There is a case to be made for not packing an $1800 gun for defense. Hooray for the Honda Civic of handguns, the Glock.



Between the Witness Elite Match 10MM and the Glock 21 I always pack, + accessories and extra mags, it is nearly that much.. which is nothing compared to my life

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No one needs a gun. He should of called the police. They would of handled the call just fine.
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Capn Blood wrote:
jdhbulseye wrote:
There is a case to be made for not packing an $1800 gun for defense. Hooray for the Honda Civic of handguns, the Glock.



Between the Witness Elite Match 10MM and the Glock 21 I always pack, + accessories and extra mags, it is nearly that much.. which is nothing compared to my life



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"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves." – T.S. Eliot

"The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker

A careful definition of words would destroy half the agenda of the political left and scrutinizing evidence would destroy the other half. - Thomas Sowell

"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow...

For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder

Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the mud, and the rifle is the queen of personal weapons. The possession of a good rifle, as well as the skill to use it well, truly makes a man the monarch of all he surveys. It realizes the ancient dream of the Jovian thunderbolt, and as such it is the embodiment of personal power. For this reason it exercises a curious influence over the minds of most men, and in its best examples it constitutes an object of affection unmatched by any other inanimate object.

Jeff Cooper
1997 The Art of the Rifle Page 1.

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SUGGEST CASE BE SUBMITTED ON APPELLANT'S BRIEF. UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY MONEY FROM CLIENTS TO BE PRESENT & ARGUE BRIEF.

The defense attorney's telegram to the clerk of the Supreme Court, March 29, 1939, in re United States. v. Miller.

You don't need to go to Law School to understand the constitutional implications of that.

“You can’t cut the throat of every cocksucker whose character it would improve.”
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I don't want to be told that I can't remove the tree by some tree-hugging pole smoker from the eat-a-dick foundation/Olympia/King County.


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I would not dump $1800 into a kimber


I would not dump $1,800 in any gun... but would in reloading components for one gun... :bigsmile:

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Caveman Jim wrote:
Arisaka wrote:
I would not dump $1800 into a kimber


I would not dump $1,800 in any gun... but would in reloading components for one gun... :bigsmile:



I would :bigsmile:


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